it's a serious problem in academia
Aristotleâs Nicomachean is a mind numbing read
i actually enjoyed the excerpts i read from it from the introductory book to aristotle i have
i actually enjoyed the excerpts i read from it from the introductory book to aristotle i have
Idk if itâs the translation or what but the way he uses language is like deciphering a riddle
Once it hits tho itâs always impactful
Idk if itâs the translation or what but the way he uses language is like deciphering a riddle
Once it hits tho itâs always impactful
aristotleâs metaphysics đ¤¤
Pre-Socratic thought is something I am not well versed in, because in my mind the real jewel of Western philosophical thought begins with Plato and then Aristotle. But I have read some Pre-Socratic thought on Atomic theory which is really interesting... That the Greeks, Leucippus, and his student Democritus, and the more famous of the three Epicurus, formulated the Idea of Atoms 2500 years before particle physics came along is pretty astounding.
So the philosophers I find most interesting I would say are these:
Western:
Plato (The most influential philosopher who ever lived. As far as I know all of Western philosophy springs from his dialogues and the platonic theory of forms. Yes he got a lot wrong (totalitarianism) but he set the foundation for all of it)
Aristotle (the rediscovery of Aristotle by Islamic Culture is what is thought to have led to the renaissance, and lifted Europe out of the âDark Agesâ.) Historians will doubt that the dark ages really existed in the sense of the word âdarkâ, but Aristotle can be considered just as significant as Plato for this reason.
Wittgenstein âWhereof one cannot speak, thereof one must remain silent" I donât think his statement should be taken at face value, but there is plenty that we can extract from it, about the limits of language, âthe limits of my language mean the limits of my worldâ and about how to communicate with one another effectively (language games/patterns of intention). His only work, incomprehensible in many ways if you donât have a background in formal logic, published while he was alive: âtractatus logico-philosophicusâ.
Camus is perhaps my favorite Western philosopher because for me he is the only one to give a truly lucid answer on how to live a "meaningful" life in an inherently meaningless existence. âThe only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.â
Nietzsche is perhaps the most misunderstood philosopher to my knowledge. Nietzsche's philosophical doctrine was notoriously b******ized by the Nazi Party and many others, who misinterpreted his ideas of Eugenics, Das Ubermensch (Thus Spake Zarathustra), and the parable of eternal recurrence, a brilliant (but not literal) thought experiment to examine oneâs own life.
âHope is the greatest of all evils for it prolongs the torments of manâ
Kant's transcendental phenomenology changed the way I view all reality and consciousness. Kant's idea of the phenomenon and noumenon (Ding an sich) ruptured my mind and then opened it to a new horizon of experience. It is safe to say that Kant along with Descartes are the two most influential Western philosophers of the last 1000 years. Just like antiquity starts with Plato, modern philosophy begins with Descartes, Locke and then Hume and Kant. And the enlightenment with Isaac Newton, leading to the French Revolution. Newton is the impetus for the enlightenment, and all philosophers as well as scientists follow in his shadow.
John Stuart Mill (I think his contribution to utilitarianism and consequentialism is extremely important, but ultimately, later utilitarians, like Karl Popper, Peter Singer, and especially deontologists, like Kant, who was a precursor to Mill, poke holes in many of his theories.) I think negative utilitarianism ultimately is the better of the two, and I donât believe it leads to antinatalism .
Schopenhauer (love how he writes with clarity and lyricism, love his pessimism) One of my absolute favorites. One should read the World as Will and Representation. You must be familiar with Kant before diving into Schopenhauer. Schopenhauer believed in The Will. Schopenhauer's philosophy holds that all nature and matter, including man, is the expression of an insatiable will. It is through the will, the in-itself of all existence, that humans find all their suffering. Desire for more is what causes this suffering. He argues that only aesthetic pleasure creates momentary escape from the will. Schopenhauer's concept of desire has strong parallels in Buddhist thought.
A quote from Schopenhauer:
âPleasure is never as pleasant as we expected it to be and pain is always more painful. The pain in the world always outweighs the pleasure. If you don't believe it, compare the respective feelings of two animals, one of which is eating the other.â
E.M. Cioran, A nihilist, even more pessimistic than Schopenhauer, but also extremely lyrical and hilarious to read, if only because of how insanely depressing he is. His books to check out are âThe Trouble With Being Bornâ and âOn The Heights of Despairâ
Excerpt from "The Trouble With Being Born"
âWe do not rush toward death, we flee the catastrophe of birth, survivors struggling to forget it. Fear of death is merely the projection into the future of a fear which dates back to our first moment of life.
We are reluctant, of course, to treat birth as a scourge: has it not been inculcated as the sovereign goodâhave we not been told that the worst came at the end, not at the outset of our lives? Yet evil, the real evil, is behind, not ahead of us.
What escaped Jesus did not escape Buddha: âIf three things did not exist in the world, O disciples, the Perfect One would not appear in the world. âŚâ And ahead of old age and death he places the fact of birth, the source of every sickness, every disasterâ
Philip Mainlander is the only pessimist to my knowledge who actually took his philosophy to its logical conclusion and killed himself. I would caution yourself reading him, if you can even find an English translation of Die Philosophie Der Erlosung (The Philosophy of Redemption) Though Mainlander was a huge atheist, he believed in a sort of salvation or redemption that could only come from nonexistence, hence why he committed suicide, shortly after finishing his manuscript. In his conception, the final singularity and destiny for all of humanity, all reality, and all matter within it, was absolute nothingness. When the universe dies so does the chaos within it. Peter Wessel Zeppfe is very similar, I would recommend the short Essay (The Last Messiah) but read it with caution as well.
As for the FrenchâŚ
Deleuze was a hack.
Guatarri was a hack.
Baudrillard is interesting however⌠his most important work is âsimulacra and simulationâ
George Bataille (his writings on the relationship between s***and death, limit experiences, transfiguration through torture and suffering, the inseparable similarity between ultimate ecstasy and ultimate despair, human and animal sacrifice, are all really interesting.) Check out his book (Erotism)
The Stoics
Marcus Aurelius/Seneca/Epictetus (Stoicism, along with skepticism), is the closest sister philosophy to Eastern thought, and unlike most Western Philosophers like Hegel, Heidegger and Husserl who argue inaccessible, inscrutable theories that almost no one can understand, this philosophy can actually be accessed by anyone, Eastern or Western, as a tool for finding meaning and reducing suffering..
Eastern Philosophy:
As for Eastern Philosophy, which at this point I am more interested in than Western, it is hard to point to specific philosophers, because most Eastern philosophy comes from ancient texts. Western Philosophy emphasizes individualism, whereas Eastern philosophy emphasizes Collectivism, which may be what accounts for this lack of. When we think of Western philosophy, we think of certain individuals and their contributions to the canon, but when we think of Eastern, yes there are many individuals who come to mind, but it all blends into a collectivist philosophy as a whole with its many subsets. The Baghavad Ghita is great, (an ancient Sanskrit text of Hindu thought) and it is very similar to Buddhist writing. The philosophy of Adveita-Vedenta for example, Non-Duality, which is written about in the Upanishads. A = not, Veita = two. Advaita = not two. The basic idea is that all living things see the world through a subject-object duality. âUsâ (consciousness) being the subject, perceiving the external world as the object or objects. When you look at a tree you are a subject perceiving an object. Nonduality believes that this distinction is illusory⌠spurious⌠and that in the true nature of âphenomenologicalâ reality, all distinctions between subject and object, even object and object, collapse into a single unity. In Eastern philosophy you hear platitudes (though not entirely incorrect platitudes) thrown around like the âoneness of lifeâ, or âone with everythingâ. That a person is everything, and therefore nothing. Non-dual = Not two = One. Above all else, the self is an illusion.
As for contemporary philosophers, this is tough because philosophy is sort of at a crossroads between particle and astro -physics, so some of these philosophers work jointly across both domains.
David Chalmers (the nature of consciousness)
Donald Hoffman (reality is not what is purports to be, it is an illusion in our minds, and most importantly an invention of biological evolution. Consciousness is a product of fitness. Objective reality does not exist in a form of spacetime)
Nima Arkani-Hamed (the man who theorized that spacetime is doomed)
Nick Land (right wing Accelerationist, edgy meth head in the 90s, neo-reactionary alt-right conservative in the 2020s)
Mark Fisher (left wing accelerationist, anti capitalist, fed up with modern culture and committed suicide)
Thomas Ligotti (the true nihilistic, pessimistic heir to Philip Mainlander, and the darkest philosopher of them all.)
David Benetar (antinatalist, check out: Better to Have Never Been) He presents the asymmetry argument of negative utilitarianism.
Joseph Campbell (mythology)
Ray Brassier (nihilist)
Peter Singer (utilitarian)
Sam Harris (determinist)
Danniel Dennet (indeterminist)
Hilary Lawson (anti-realist)
i been on and off that piece of s*** book bro
kant was a terrible writer
he wasn't a terrible writer he just wrote in obscure niche German neologisms for a small group of other German philosophers of the time (1700s) with extremely abstract ideas, which is why it's so inaccessible today.
Hegel on the other hand.....
This why my wife dropped out of philosophy grad school lmaooo
my mom was a philosophy major and didn't do anything with that degree. ended up becoming a therapist.
i dont like the way college teaches philosophy. its just regurgitate other peoples ideas. it should be focused on me thinking for myself
have some humility
i dont like the way college teaches philosophy. its just regurgitate other peoples ideas. it should be focused on me thinking for myself
nah most of yâall are retarded we donât need to hear yâall thoughts tbh
Pre-Socratic thought is something I am not well versed in, because in my mind the real jewel of Western philosophical thought begins with Plato and then Aristotle. But I have read some Pre-Socratic thought on Atomic theory which is really interesting... That the Greeks, Leucippus, and his student Democritus, and the more famous of the three Epicurus, formulated the Idea of Atoms 2500 years before particle physics came along is pretty astounding.
So the philosophers I find most interesting I would say are these:
Western:
Plato (The most influential philosopher who ever lived. As far as I know all of Western philosophy springs from his dialogues and the platonic theory of forms. Yes he got a lot wrong (totalitarianism) but he set the foundation for all of it)
Aristotle (the rediscovery of Aristotle by Islamic Culture is what is thought to have led to the renaissance, and lifted Europe out of the âDark Agesâ.) Historians will doubt that the dark ages really existed in the sense of the word âdarkâ, but Aristotle can be considered just as significant as Plato for this reason.
Wittgenstein âWhereof one cannot speak, thereof one must remain silent" I donât think his statement should be taken at face value, but there is plenty that we can extract from it, about the limits of language, âthe limits of my language mean the limits of my worldâ and about how to communicate with one another effectively (language games/patterns of intention). His only work, incomprehensible in many ways if you donât have a background in formal logic, published while he was alive: âtractatus logico-philosophicusâ.
Camus is perhaps my favorite Western philosopher because for me he is the only one to give a truly lucid answer on how to live a "meaningful" life in an inherently meaningless existence. âThe only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.â
Nietzsche is perhaps the most misunderstood philosopher to my knowledge. Nietzsche's philosophical doctrine was notoriously b******ized by the Nazi Party and many others, who misinterpreted his ideas of Eugenics, Das Ubermensch (Thus Spake Zarathustra), and the parable of eternal recurrence, a brilliant (but not literal) thought experiment to examine oneâs own life.
âHope is the greatest of all evils for it prolongs the torments of manâ
Kant's transcendental phenomenology changed the way I view all reality and consciousness. Kant's idea of the phenomenon and noumenon (Ding an sich) ruptured my mind and then opened it to a new horizon of experience. It is safe to say that Kant along with Descartes are the two most influential Western philosophers of the last 1000 years. Just like antiquity starts with Plato, modern philosophy begins with Descartes, Locke and then Hume and Kant. And the enlightenment with Isaac Newton, leading to the French Revolution. Newton is the impetus for the enlightenment, and all philosophers as well as scientists follow in his shadow.
John Stuart Mill (I think his contribution to utilitarianism and consequentialism is extremely important, but ultimately, later utilitarians, like Karl Popper, Peter Singer, and especially deontologists, like Kant, who was a precursor to Mill, poke holes in many of his theories.) I think negative utilitarianism ultimately is the better of the two, and I donât believe it leads to antinatalism .
Schopenhauer (love how he writes with clarity and lyricism, love his pessimism) One of my absolute favorites. One should read the World as Will and Representation. You must be familiar with Kant before diving into Schopenhauer. Schopenhauer believed in The Will. Schopenhauer's philosophy holds that all nature and matter, including man, is the expression of an insatiable will. It is through the will, the in-itself of all existence, that humans find all their suffering. Desire for more is what causes this suffering. He argues that only aesthetic pleasure creates momentary escape from the will. Schopenhauer's concept of desire has strong parallels in Buddhist thought.
A quote from Schopenhauer:
âPleasure is never as pleasant as we expected it to be and pain is always more painful. The pain in the world always outweighs the pleasure. If you don't believe it, compare the respective feelings of two animals, one of which is eating the other.â
E.M. Cioran, A nihilist, even more pessimistic than Schopenhauer, but also extremely lyrical and hilarious to read, if only because of how insanely depressing he is. His books to check out are âThe Trouble With Being Bornâ and âOn The Heights of Despairâ
Excerpt from "The Trouble With Being Born"
âWe do not rush toward death, we flee the catastrophe of birth, survivors struggling to forget it. Fear of death is merely the projection into the future of a fear which dates back to our first moment of life.
We are reluctant, of course, to treat birth as a scourge: has it not been inculcated as the sovereign goodâhave we not been told that the worst came at the end, not at the outset of our lives? Yet evil, the real evil, is behind, not ahead of us.
What escaped Jesus did not escape Buddha: âIf three things did not exist in the world, O disciples, the Perfect One would not appear in the world. âŚâ And ahead of old age and death he places the fact of birth, the source of every sickness, every disasterâ
Philip Mainlander is the only pessimist to my knowledge who actually took his philosophy to its logical conclusion and killed himself. I would caution yourself reading him, if you can even find an English translation of Die Philosophie Der Erlosung (The Philosophy of Redemption) Though Mainlander was a huge atheist, he believed in a sort of salvation or redemption that could only come from nonexistence, hence why he committed suicide, shortly after finishing his manuscript. In his conception, the final singularity and destiny for all of humanity, all reality, and all matter within it, was absolute nothingness. When the universe dies so does the chaos within it. Peter Wessel Zeppfe is very similar, I would recommend the short Essay (The Last Messiah) but read it with caution as well.
As for the FrenchâŚ
Deleuze was a hack.
Guatarri was a hack.
Baudrillard is interesting however⌠his most important work is âsimulacra and simulationâ
George Bataille (his writings on the relationship between s***and death, limit experiences, transfiguration through torture and suffering, the inseparable similarity between ultimate ecstasy and ultimate despair, human and animal sacrifice, are all really interesting.) Check out his book (Erotism)
The Stoics
Marcus Aurelius/Seneca/Epictetus (Stoicism, along with skepticism), is the closest sister philosophy to Eastern thought, and unlike most Western Philosophers like Hegel, Heidegger and Husserl who argue inaccessible, inscrutable theories that almost no one can understand, this philosophy can actually be accessed by anyone, Eastern or Western, as a tool for finding meaning and reducing suffering..
Eastern Philosophy:
As for Eastern Philosophy, which at this point I am more interested in than Western, it is hard to point to specific philosophers, because most Eastern philosophy comes from ancient texts. Western Philosophy emphasizes individualism, whereas Eastern philosophy emphasizes Collectivism, which may be what accounts for this lack of. When we think of Western philosophy, we think of certain individuals and their contributions to the canon, but when we think of Eastern, yes there are many individuals who come to mind, but it all blends into a collectivist philosophy as a whole with its many subsets. The Baghavad Ghita is great, (an ancient Sanskrit text of Hindu thought) and it is very similar to Buddhist writing. The philosophy of Adveita-Vedenta for example, Non-Duality, which is written about in the Upanishads. A = not, Veita = two. Advaita = not two. The basic idea is that all living things see the world through a subject-object duality. âUsâ (consciousness) being the subject, perceiving the external world as the object or objects. When you look at a tree you are a subject perceiving an object. Nonduality believes that this distinction is illusory⌠spurious⌠and that in the true nature of âphenomenologicalâ reality, all distinctions between subject and object, even object and object, collapse into a single unity. In Eastern philosophy you hear platitudes (though not entirely incorrect platitudes) thrown around like the âoneness of lifeâ, or âone with everythingâ. That a person is everything, and therefore nothing. Non-dual = Not two = One. Above all else, the self is an illusion.
As for contemporary philosophers, this is tough because philosophy is sort of at a crossroads between particle and astro -physics, so some of these philosophers work jointly across both domains.
David Chalmers (the nature of consciousness)
Donald Hoffman (reality is not what is purports to be, it is an illusion in our minds, and most importantly an invention of biological evolution. Consciousness is a product of fitness. Objective reality does not exist in a form of spacetime)
Nima Arkani-Hamed (the man who theorized that spacetime is doomed)
Nick Land (right wing Accelerationist, edgy meth head in the 90s, neo-reactionary alt-right conservative in the 2020s)
Mark Fisher (left wing accelerationist, anti capitalist, fed up with modern culture and committed suicide)
Thomas Ligotti (the true nihilistic, pessimistic heir to Philip Mainlander, and the darkest philosopher of them all.)
David Benetar (antinatalist, check out: Better to Have Never Been) He presents the asymmetry argument of negative utilitarianism.
Joseph Campbell (mythology)
Ray Brassier (nihilist)
Peter Singer (utilitarian)
Sam Harris (determinist)
Danniel Dennet (indeterminist)
Hilary Lawson (anti-realist)
ive been studying advaita vedanta as a layman for about 2 1/2 years i adhere to Shaktism
its crazy how I did not appreciate my uni professors who were teaching us historical materialism and marxist thought and tried to tell us that post modernism is garbage in the environment that would normally be hostile to any such approaches. my mates would always tell me about this chief philosophy prof in our uni and he was a staunch communist, too bad I never had a chance to see him
I remember studying for my philosophy exam and having to go back a lot and one of the first things that we were taught was something from Lenin on materialism and idealism. dont remember what it was exactly but it was the first time I read one of those 'philosophy hacks' and it was so clear and made sense that I had that part of the exam down in no time
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I truly do not understand the point you are trying to make by pointing out that I enjoy Travis Scott's music whenever I bring up Marxism
It's literally music lol
If the argument is that "you enjoy listening to music made by a rich artist that uses a lot of high-tech equipment to produce", this is a perspective that is lacking a historical materialist a***ysis
In the world we currently live in, where capitalism is the dominant globalized economic system, everything manmade that exists is in some way a byproduct of the capitalist mode of production. As such, whether you're listening to Dead Prez or Travis Scott, both are still art that are distributed through the capitalist commodity form.
Music predates capitalism and will exist after it has been overthrown. It exists in place where capitalism has already been overthrown. It is historically inaccurate to say that capitalism created music as such, so assuming that any music one listens to implies anything about the success or "necessity", or even merely the usefulness, of the capitalist mode of production, is patently incorrect. Music is currently distributed through the capitalist mode of consumption because everything is, so again, it doesn't matter what artist you individually listen to, all art is at present trapped within the capitalist commodity form.
Y'all put too much emphasis on the "message" in music and not looking at music in material terms. It is a commodity like anything else and whether or not it's "conscious" doesn't matter, because it's still a commodity in any case. As such, the only thing you should be worried about wrt listening to music is whether or not you think it sounds good in your ears.
Liberalism is a disease and needs to be unlearned because whether it's dumb s*** like this or some bigger issue, this misplaced and erroneous emphasis on the importance of individuals and their self-expression is a huge impediment to human social progress. Trav is no less or more a commodity than billy woods or Public Enemy lol.
If the argument is that "you enjoy listening to music made by a rich artist that uses a lot of high-tech equipment to produce", this is a perspective that is lacking a historical materialist a***ysis
In the world we currently live in, where capitalism is the dominant globalized economic system, everything manmade that exists is in some way a byproduct of the capitalist mode of production. As such, whether you're listening to Dead Prez or Travis Scott, both are still art that are distributed through the capitalist commodity form.
Music predates capitalism and will exist after it has been overthrown. It exists in place where capitalism has already been overthrown. It is historically inaccurate to say that capitalism created music as such, so assuming that any music one listens to implies anything about the success or "necessity", or even merely the usefulness, of the capitalist mode of production, is patently incorrect. Music is currently distributed through the capitalist mode of consumption because everything is, so again, it doesn't matter what artist you individually listen to, all art is at present trapped within the capitalist commodity form.
Y'all put too much emphasis on the "message" in music and not looking at music in material terms. It is a commodity like anything else and whether or not it's "conscious" doesn't matter, because it's still a commodity in any case. As such, the only thing you should be worried about wrt listening to music is whether or not you think it sounds good in your ears.
Liberalism is a disease and needs to be unlearned because whether it's dumb s*** like this or some bigger issue, this misplaced and erroneous emphasis on the importance of individuals and their self-expression is a huge impediment to human social progress. Trav is no less or more a commodity than billy woods or Public Enemy lol.
Its cause his music is materialist, individualistic, and he is himself a dedicated capitalist
Its cause his music is materialist, individualistic, and he is himself a dedicated capitalist
Again, it doesn't matter whether he is the next Che Guevara or the next Elon Musk. It's literally just a commodity. If I want depth, I can read a book lol. Music is meant to be sonically entertaining and that's what Travis Scott's music is. Music is not supposed to be a vehicle for spiritual/intellectual/philosophical education or enlightenment. It's fun.
This misplaced emphasis on the "importance" of messages in entertainment media is just a byproduct of commodity fetishism
Ain't s*** important about the "substance" in music, it will never offer you a thorough enough perspective on any social issue such that it could be used in an even ancillary way to develop some sort of educated perspective on basically anything. You need to actually do research and "hit the books" to do that. As such, Trav could be rapping about spending 25 million dollars on a fleet of Bugatti's and punching homeless people and it wouldn't matter because it is literally music, whose main objective and only purpose is to entertain the listener