Yeah that has to be addressed
But is defunding them the best solution? Really I think the fact the so many cops have got off in these types of situations and the culture is the issue not the cops themselves

It easily is

defunding =/= abolition.

we want aboliton.

Defunding is a step in the process, you're eventually defunding them to 0$

You need to understand that the police is a tool of the state, which is in itself a tool of the ruling class. Why would the ruling elites ever defund something that protects their class interests? Abolition = communism, aboliton = revolution.

This is why you only hear opportunist politicians, milquetoast social democrats and liberals say defund, socialists and anarchists will say abolish. there is a reason words are used in certain situations.

There are plenty of socialists and anarchists calling for defunding as a step towards abolition. No one is under any illusion that the state is going to willingly do these things either. Dont condescend to me. Ik perfectly well the function of the police. Defunding and then abolition isnt coming without sustained pressure placed upon the state by the masses.

We dont know if that will take form in some sort of armed revolution, sustained general strike etc., but please dont sit there and act like I'm pretending this is going to be willingly done by the state

Good example right above

its weird how whatever world u live in leaves no room for two people who agree on things to have any sort of nuanced discussion about anything

“Dont condescend to me.”
How nuanced of you

yes, because its important to let ppl know they can discuss things without being condescending..

"Well, the call to defund the police is, I think, an abolitionist demand, but it reflects only one aspect of the process represented by the demand. Defunding the police is not simply about withdrawing funding for law enforcement and doing nothing else. And it appears as if this is the rather superficial understanding that has caused Biden to move in the direction he’s moving in.

It’s about shifting public funds to new services and new institutions — mental health counselors, who can respond to people who are in crisis without arms. It’s about shifting funding to education, to housing, to recreation. All of these things help to create security and safety. It’s about learning that safety, safeguarded by violence, is not really safety.

And I would say that abolition is not primarily a negative strategy. It’s not primarily about dismantling, getting rid of, but it’s about reenvisioning. It’s about building anew. And I would argue that abolition is a feminist strategy. And one sees in these abolitionist demands that are emerging the pivotal influence of feminist theories and practices."

Oh this is my queen, who is literally refuting your point Lmaoo

How is she refuting my point when her whole point is my point?

I'd very much like to see the logic in how someone stating that defunding police is ultimately a step in the process of abolition refutes the point that defunding the police is a step in the process of abolition

Angela Davis is a MARXIST & an ABOLITIONIST.

Not a defundist

Literally in the first sentence, please read some Angela Brodie

“But it reflects only ONE ASPECT” and so on

Uh yeah I literally agree with that like I said earlier and then repeated. Its literally one aspect

U said step, undialectical

MY original point was that defunding=/=abolition

Angela Davis is saying the same thing in the quote

There is essentially no difference in me saying step in the process and Angela davis saying aspect of the process

You don’t really think those words mean the same thing?

Please address my original point being that abolitionism =! defunding

Angela Davis herself recognizes this in the quote you shared