What are you talking about?

In Kosovo

I'm agreeing with you

Why do you want Ukraine to join NATO at the cost of diminished quality of life, propping up Nazis part of a broader international fascist network and possible war with a nuclear superpower?

Like seriously, what does anybody gain from this bullshit?

People really have lost their minds, just because Putin is bad that doesn't mean the West has to be this f***ing hawkish

Politics sxn the armpit of ktt2

Whatever you may think of it, it was not at all defensive in nature.

It reminds me of the early 2000's lol

most people are just joking with the memes about russia and putin, in reality the vast majority of people on this board and similar circles to the people who use this board just want to see western power minimized and regional conflicts settled in an organic manner that isn't derived from a single globalistic kingmaker of morality.
People don't necessarily think that therefore the outcome is intrinsically moral in one direction; the idea is less that and more that these regional tensions of which there is no real reason for immersion of outsiders to manipulate things for global "benefit" or otherwise.
There are obviously people celebrating this stuff who are actually just giant russiaboos but the vast majority of people are just happy to see the decline of arbitrary moral universalism as a driving force of decision for every single regional arbitrator.

I don't want ukraine in nato

I want ukraines sovereignty respected

Russia started it by annexing crimea and scaring them closer to nato

I was too young during that time but it's wild seeing the hysteria you read about in real time like this

Idk about Kosovo so maybe they do

My mans my family lived on the front lines and I got a mass grave 30 mins from me where Serbians slaughtered civilians and where we had no help

I don't think, I know

Then why not just say Ukraine won't join NATO if Russia stays out of Ukraine? Like what's not clicking here? Why does that have to be off the table? Sovereignty =\= access to every f***ing military alliance you wanna be in lmao

And the US-backed coup is what started this whole mess, don't be disingenuous.

there's a strong difference in reality though between the recognition of pro-separatist held or autonomous/disputed land and unquestionably sovereign land. I think it would be a different situation if Russia was like "you know what we're gonna annex Finland. Helinski is russian now." That's not what's happening here - there wasn't even an annexation of Kyiv; even if you go back to the Russo-Georgian war, the land in dispute was not all of Georgia, it was South Ossetia, which had its own independence and breakaway movement.

Even if Maidan was us backed Yanuschenko was Russian backed so we can play this game all day

They weren't part of NATO, so it wasn't defensive.

Listen I think Cuban intervention in Angola was heroic, but that doesn't make it defensive.

Sounds about white

I think you mean Yanukovich

And yes he was supported by Russia but he didn't come to power through a fascist backed coup

Some fascists just so happened to be on the side of Maidan

Wait til you see Russians political scene

Alright if you really think you know more about this than me then there is no point in talking

Also @TragedyGhaddafi , I'm not saying Ukraine can't desire NATO membership, but that doesn't mean we have to grant it to them wtf?

Turkey wants EU membership too, should they get it just because they want it?

It's not a violation of sovereignty it's such a dumb f***ing argument

Lol aight

To everybody in this thread you do know that being a socialist doesn't mean sucking up to Russia every move they make right

Crazy to think the wars took place for a decade especially in Europe and so recently in history
Shouldn't have even happened

"just so happened to be" 😭😭😭

They still are

And wtf does that even have to do with anything.

Listen I know you're white, but I'm not, spreading white nationalism would have disastrous consequences for me and many others

What the US is doing now is the same s*** they did in Afghanistan and in the same way that lead to rise in Wahhabism, this will lead to a rise in fascism. Both these Wahhabist and Nazi groups work in the same internationally oriented way. Escalation has only further empowered them and it will continue to do so.

You already had the Christchurch shooter repping Azov Battallion symbolism, it's only gonna get worse and while you can be like ahh that was kinda bad, just like you are now with regards to Afghanistan, minorities in Europe will be absolutely f***ed. But you don't care because supporting literal Nazis is okay if they're fighting the Russians right?

Q : When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against secret US involvement in Afghanistan , nobody believed them . However, there was an element of truth in this. You don’t regret any of this today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, essentially: “We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war." Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war that was unsustainable for the regime , a conflict that bought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported Islamic fundamentalism, which has given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B : What is more important in world history? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some agitated Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

^ replace Islamic fundamentalists with Nazis and this is the exact same scenario we're seeing play out today, Westoids are insane. They'll literally support the devil if they were fighting against Russia