'In the last few minutes, the Ukrainian authorities have said more than 2,000 civilians have been killed so far in Russia's invasion, which began nearly a week ago.'
bruh
man lmao
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Is there a chance that we’re falling for propaganda and Putin is doing the right thing?
theres no right thing or wrong thing here, we've been battling against russia for influence over ukraine for 20 years
Is there a chance that we’re falling for propaganda and Putin is doing the right thing?
The biggest propaganda rn is that Putin is LOSING ANY MOMENT NOW, which is just straight-up a coping mechanism.
'In the last few minutes, the Ukrainian authorities have said more than 2,000 civilians have been killed so far in Russia's invasion, which began nearly a week ago.'
bruh
Ukraine is reporting 6000 Russian deaths as well
all these companies and countries applying sanctions acting like putin didnt know this would happen
people really think putin is being outsmarted
Ukraine is reporting 6000 Russian deaths as well
ye civilians though bruh when they 'weren't targeting civilians'
Ukraine is reporting 6000 Russian deaths as well
now do you believe that?
Is there a chance that we’re falling for propaganda and Putin is doing the right thing?
His stance against NATO expanding all the way to Ukraine is more than understandable, the invasion isn't justifiable, but the US knew Russia would intervene in some kind of capacity if they expanded to Ukraine.
Diplomatic cable from US ambassador in 2008 from Moscow detailing how pushing for Ukrainian NATO membership would lead to the exact situation we're in now:
"Not only does Russia perceive encirclement by NATO, and efforts to undermine Russia's influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face. ... Dmitri Trenin, Deputy Director of the Carnegie Moscow Center, expressed concern that Ukraine was, in the long-term, the most potentially destabilizing factor in U.S.-Russian relations, given the level of emotion and neuralgia triggered by its quest for NATO membership. ... Because membership remained divisive in Ukrainian domestic politics, it created an opening for Russian intervention. Trenin expressed concern that elements within the Russian establishment would be encouraged to meddle, stimulating U.S. overt encouragement of opposing political forces, and leaving the U.S. and Russia in a classic confrontational posture. ... Trenin cautioned strongly against letting an internal Ukrainian fight for power, where MAP was merely a lever in domestic politics, further complicate U.S.-Russian relations now."
If you now take this stance you're a Russian bot
now do you believe that?
You can tell these people never followed a war before in their life
If Palestine says pull up and kill zionist we will provide weapons then I am in
His stance against NATO expanding all the way to Ukraine is more than understandable, the invasion isn't justifiable, but the US knew Russia would intervene in some kind of capacity if they expanded to Ukraine.
Diplomatic cable from US ambassador in 2008 from Moscow detailing how pushing for Ukrainian NATO membership would lead to the exact situation we're in now:
"Not only does Russia perceive encirclement by NATO, and efforts to undermine Russia's influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face. ... Dmitri Trenin, Deputy Director of the Carnegie Moscow Center, expressed concern that Ukraine was, in the long-term, the most potentially destabilizing factor in U.S.-Russian relations, given the level of emotion and neuralgia triggered by its quest for NATO membership. ... Because membership remained divisive in Ukrainian domestic politics, it created an opening for Russian intervention. Trenin expressed concern that elements within the Russian establishment would be encouraged to meddle, stimulating U.S. overt encouragement of opposing political forces, and leaving the U.S. and Russia in a classic confrontational posture. ... Trenin cautioned strongly against letting an internal Ukrainian fight for power, where MAP was merely a lever in domestic politics, further complicate U.S.-Russian relations now."
If you now take this stance you're a Russian bot
Russia had legit concerns and instead of finding a resolution the US/NATO/Ukraine kept fueling the fire
Russia had legit concerns and instead of finding a resolution the US/NATO/Ukraine kept fueling the fire
You can tell these people never followed a war before in their life
People are so gullible
Ukraine is reporting 6000 Russian deaths as well
Ukraine been pushing blatant propaganda this whole war man
I wouldn’t take anything they say at face value
Russia had legit concerns and instead of finding a resolution the US/NATO/Ukraine kept fueling the fire
Exactly.
They knew Russia would intervene 14 years ago, apparently they knew Russia was going to invade as well these past months, and they knew that pushing for Ukrainian NATO membership is why.
They encouraged Ukraine to play the tough guy with Russia and look where that got us. But they got what they wanted, this will definitely weaken Russia, at the highest cost of Ukrainians.
It's just Afghanistan all over again.
Is there a chance that we’re falling for propaganda and Putin is doing the right thing?
As someone who’s actually Russian, Putin is not right and never have been.
Russian people deserve better.
Ukraine been pushing blatant propaganda this whole war man
I wouldn’t take anything they say at face value
6k is wild in less than a week
this honestly sounds like a big cap
'In the last few minutes, the Ukrainian authorities have said more than 2,000 civilians have been killed so far in Russia's invasion, which began nearly a week ago.'
bruh
God damn