Don't start this argument again bro lmao
We had this for 5 days and yall cant get closer to each other on this matter. Your approach is more realistic and he's looking at this w more idealism
That’s not what idealism means lol
Him and the rest of us are the exact opposite of idealists - were materialists
the thing is one of these two groups also got invaded by a much stronger and 3rd largest military in the world
as you said yourself no one is pro-russia just like no one wants to arm nazis but if it was that simple we wouldn't be here would we
Arming a country knowing full well the groups that will actively seek out those weapons will have truly devastating consequences for the innocent people of that country, worse than anything we’ve seen in this invasion
And The west has done it for fifty years with the exact same result every time. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Colombia, Angola
And to think it will change in Ukraine is truly ignorant
Or is it not about the Nazis but instead we can’t arm Ukraine because that will increase geopolitical tensions?
Maybe it’s just me but it seems like you guys have a lot of reasons to justify Ukrainian deaths…
Ay bro, dudes should all just leave Ukraine tbh cause wtf you do now past sanctions?
What step do you take without causing more deaths and escalation into total actual wars?
There’s literally like 1000 Azov members and half of them are surrounded and probably dead in Mariupol
Meanwhile innocent civilians are dying all over the place AND there’s even more Nazis on the Russian side. Are you really that principled or just f***ing stupid?
we already had this convo days ago bro, they are willing to gamble on the lives of 44M people because they have a 1000 Nazi unit in the army that is currently defending the country against Russia
they live in a imaginary world
Or is it not about the Nazis but instead we can’t arm Ukraine because that will increase geopolitical tensions?
Maybe it’s just me but it seems like you guys have a lot of reasons to justify Ukrainian deaths…
Arming Ukraine wouldn’t change tensions in any wa
It will only prolong a deadly war and destabilize the region meaning more dead innocents and more destruction
we already had this convo days ago bro, they are willing to gamble on the lives of 44M people because they have a 1000 Nazi unit in the army that is currently defending the country against Russia
they live in a imaginary world
And you think arming Ukraine is somehow saving lives lmao?
we already had this convo days ago bro, they are willing to gamble on the lives of 44M people because they have a 1000 Nazi unit in the army that is currently defending the country against Russia
they live in a imaginary world
This isn't the vietnam where the advantage of territory and guerilla warfare can be that effective.
I'm pretty sure Russia knows the in and outs of Ukraine for a total full scale war.
we already had this convo days ago bro, they are willing to gamble on the lives of 44M people because they have a 1000 Nazi unit in the army that is currently defending the country against Russia
they live in a imaginary world
Al Qaeda numbered 300 people when they set up shop on Afghanistan in 1983 and started receiving American weapons
And you think arming Ukraine is somehow saving lives lmao?
well it's not your call is it
Ukrainians seem to disagree
And you think arming Ukraine is somehow saving lives lmao?
historical idealism
well it's not your call is it
Ukrainians seem to disagree
Fighting a war is saving lives because the people fighting said it
Al Qaeda numbered 300 people when they set up shop on Afghanistan in 1983 and started receiving American weapons
Ukraine is not Afghanistan
they are literally surrounded by NATO and Russia, look at what kinda response the world is giving rn, do you think if something like that happened people wouldn't intervene?
Arming Ukraine wouldn’t change tensions in any wa
It will only prolong a deadly war and destabilize the region meaning more dead innocents and more destruction
Do you think that if Russia occupies Ukraine that will somehow be less bloody?
Fighting a war is saving lives because the people fighting said it
well what is the alternative?? they let their country get conquered?
I mean put yourself in the shoes of a Ukrainian
And this isn't like the French helping Americans fight against the British 200+ years ago because Russia is literally next door to send more troops every minute of the hour.
No need to mention the fact how fast a war can go without any troops on the ground
Some mfs itt would agree with Putin to take half of Europe if we get to that
who
Ukraine is not Afghanistan
they are literally surrounded by NATO and Russia, look at what kinda response the world is giving rn, do you think if something like that happened people wouldn't intervene?
LOL Ukraine has the most lax weapons laws in the entire west and has a state sponsored Nazi battalion
To think that they don’t have any opportunity to mirror those historical events is once again uninformed
This isn't the vietnam where the advantage of territory and guerilla warfare can be that effective.
I'm pretty sure Russia knows the in and outs of Ukraine for a total full scale war.
Russia knows dogshit, look at how it's going for them right now
they didn't expect Ukraine to resist this much and they didn't expect these kinda sanctions
It could all be so simple
US goes yes put it on paper that Ukraine doesn't join NATO and recognize the Crimea as Russian
And there never would have been an invasion in the first place
Some mfs itt would agree with Putin to take half of Europe if we get to that
Otherwise guns might fall into the hands of Nazis!!
Some mfs itt would agree with Putin to take half of Europe if we get to that
strawman
Otherwise guns might fall into the hands of Nazis!!
No other country has state sponsored nazism
LOL Ukraine has the most lax weapons laws in the entire west and has a state sponsored Nazi battalion
To think that they don’t have any opportunity to mirror those historical events is once again uninformed
so does Russia
so what are Russian far right nationalist just gonna chill there when they roll in? they already bombing civilians man