I’m not saying the USSR had it perfect and that it was a Utopia.
But it was absolutely a better alternative to what the West is right now, even up to the 1980’s. Think about it. What was Russia in 1910 compared to the US and UK? There was massive illiteracy, famines every decade; an artistocratic, agrarian society controlled basically all aspects of life .
In only 4 decades, even after two devastating wars and a famine that was caused by land owning peasants literally choosing to burn grain instead of distributing it, the USSR was able to provide free secondary education and advanced medical care, basically ended malnutrition, and was able to compete with the west in quality of life in many of the areas where development was moving along
It just makes no sense to point to a system predicated on exploitation and theft of labor to further power as preferential to one where social well-being is a priority
Bro this dude his name was bunsen he got the hold of the blue flame and then the whole industrial s*** happened and took a rapid turn during the four decades you so proud of. Across the whole planet in many places the literacy rate improved, like cause the machines made it easier to get about and learn. It happened in non communist places too, honestly. Not even joking.
I know all about how people who don't live in Western countries think Western consumerism and what not is heaven on earth and I understand why some people may have a positive first impression of it from the outside looking in, but the reality is very different
And either way, what country in recent history has risen from poverty the most? That's China. Did they adopt Western values? F*** no lmao. Material conditions bro, rid yourself of that idealist thinking s*** will have you looking goofy talmbout Western values make you rich like roomlnfire, unfortunately that's not how the world works
im greatly aware of faux western values and the enormous hypocrisy that people express towards others based on their birthplace and skin color first and foremost
the reason why I replied to you and why I even engaged to begin with was to point out why people think the way they do and to make sure people dont do the 'let me explain how you didn't live half bad even if I dont know you or ever experienced any of what youre describing.' will all due respect to yall situations I dont think its right to do that to people currently living in a much less stable environment compared to you
im greatly aware of faux western values and the enormous hypocrisy that people express towards others based on their birthplace and skin color first and foremost
the reason why I replied to you and why I even engaged to begin with was to point out why people think the way they do and to make sure people dont do the 'let me explain how you didn't live half bad even if I dont know you or ever experienced any of what youre describing.' will all due respect to yall situations I dont think its right to do that to people currently living in a much less stable environment compared to you
Where did you get it from that I was saying it's not that bad in Russia rn? I would say I'm much more receptive to that than most people, there's a reason I oppose those sanctions.
I know how bad it is in Russia, and I know how bad it is elsewhere too, I'm just saying that Westernization isn't the answer to those problems.
Where did you get it from that I was saying it's not that bad in Russia rn? I would say I'm much more receptive to that than most people, there's a reason I oppose those sanctions.
I know how bad it is in Russia, and I know how bad it is elsewhere too, I'm just saying that Westernization isn't the answer to those problems.
yeah not you in particular, most of it is in relation to americanas argument. maybe I saw my fellow man getting it on and wanted to make sure it makes a bit more sense contextually. until he started the entire thing about capitalism being cool and good which is...
surely not dying on that hill
I know all about how people who don't live in Western countries think Western consumerism and what not is heaven on earth and I understand why some people may have a positive first impression of it from the outside looking in, but the reality is very different
And either way, what country in recent history has risen from poverty the most? That's China. Did they adopt Western values? F*** no lmao. Material conditions bro, rid yourself of that idealist thinking s*** will have you looking goofy talmbout Western values make you rich like roomlnfire, unfortunately that's not how the world works
China mad capitalist. Market completely interwoven with the West too
China mad capitalist. Market completely interwoven with the West too
capitalism is not a phenomenon linked to western culture, and the socio-political system the chinese have undertaken to exploit capitalism isnt western either
China mad capitalist. Market completely interwoven with the West too
They don't have Western values tho
In Iran I lived by the caspian sea for 12 years. I used to go to Astarakhan often and have visited Dagestan too. All that caucaus region was part of Iran in 1700s during Nader Shah hence why the Dagestanis are muslim.
What is really interesting is that the Dagestanis in russia are devote muslims but the gilakis in iran who live by the caspian sea are well known for being an infidel party region lol.
Goes to show how the islamic republic has failed. When you try to force that kind s*** on people they rebel more. @americana Taliban is going to kill Islam in Afghanistan too 😉
you see and hear about it practically everywhere as you grow up in there. in many peoples' eyes you basically won at life if you got to study in Europe or somehow leave the country. from what I know if you leave the US for Europe (and vice versa) its kinda cool but whatever, and for Europe to Europe it doesn't matter because it takes a few hours to go from one country to another. in Russia though its a HUGE deal, and in the last decade this idea of 'leaving' has become more prevalent in young Russians' lives as they become more opened towards western culture and all
so, everything is being compared to Europe or the US, at all times. therefore it shouldn't be surprising when people hear about bringing some of that cool western stuff closer to them and their very first reaction to it is positive
In fairness, the desire to move to these Western countries is hardly to do with love for one system or the other. Ignoring the cultural aspects of why people would want to make the move, it's basically a matter of moving from a dysfunctional capitalist country to a seemingly less dysfunctional one.
I might not be in the west by any means, but South Africa has a lot of the same dynamic for a lot Africa, hell wouldn't be surprised if the same dynamic happens with Russia and a lot of former soviet States.
I think part of the reason it works out that way, and is because you have to eventually interact with capitalist system. More functional capitalist countries make it easier.
Replies are interesting lol
Funny to see when people value "independent verification" or when they trust the NYT or not
Replies are interesting lol
Funny to see when people value "independent verification" or when they trust the NYT or not
the public will always be more sympathetic to the ukrainians
this is a disgusting crime but people are going to view it as less bad because theyre defending. im not excusing it at all, im just saying it's the way it is that no one is going to hold the ukrainians to the same standard as the russians
and yes this is worrying
the public will always be more sympathetic to the ukrainians
this is a disgusting crime but people are going to view it as less bad because theyre defending. im not excusing it at all, im just saying it's the way it is that no one is going to hold the ukrainians to the same standard as the russians
and yes this is worrying
Last thing we need are Nazi militias killing without discipline
Last thing we need are Nazi militias killing without discipline
i dont think any sane person would disagree
Last thing we need are Nazi militias killing without discipline
Name me a miltia that kills with discipline!! They all f***ing consist of racist tyrants!
Name me a miltia that kills with discipline!! They all f***ing consist of racist tyrants!
I'm gonna be nitpicky and ask if you know what a tyrant is?
I'm gonna be nitpicky and ask if you know what a tyrant is?
Bush biden ghenghis khan type beats
Bush biden ghenghis khan type beats
Biden and Bush are war criminals, that's for sure, not sure they qualify as tyrants.
Point in getting across is you don't get militias filled with tyrants, rather militias serving tyrants. A tyrant is a head of state above anything else I'm not too versed on Iranian politics, but you're home, the Big Ayo might qualify as a tyrant, but not members of the Artesh
Biden and Bush are war criminals, that's for sure, not sure they qualify as tyrants.
Point in getting across is you don't get militias filled with tyrants, rather militias serving tyrants. A tyrant is a head of state above anything else I'm not too versed on Iranian politics, but you're home, the Big Ayo might qualify as a tyrant, but not members of the Artesh
Armies consist of c***s that listen to their racist tyrant leaders
It's human nature
It aint even a race thing
We are all guilty of that s***
In Iran the Ayatollah assigns the commanders so he is the chief tyrant for sure the members of the Artesh are his minions aka mini tyrants