Ideologically committed liberals (not the passive ones that are just liberals cuz that’s all the know) like that guy are really f***ing sick, misanthropic people man

100%

These r/neoliberal types are scum

At least conservatives don't pretend to be progressive

Y’all are so dramatic

The war in Afghanistan killed hundreds of thousands of people, and it was against the people the US previously used to pursue their own interests before. It's not dramatic, you really just a terrible human being.

Do you think everyone with a different worldview than you is a terrible human being

If USA was justified in Afghanistan then why isn’t Russia justified against Ukraine for all the shelling against russian minorities in Donbass

You know what’s dramatic? Spending trillions of dollars to fund a decade and a half long unsuccessful war rife with the sickest war crimes and abuse against civilians, while people back home face economic devastation and fascistic assault on their rights. Which is what you are saying is “justified”

No but I think people with your worldview are terrible human beings

Not at all but people who say this was justified definitely are.

"THE BUZZ OF a drone at night was the first sign of trouble.

Next came the roar of a larger, low-flying aircraft, which alerted residents of the Afghan village of Omar Khail that soldiers were nearby. Men in camouflage moved through the streets speaking Pashto and English. It was December 2018, and the air was frigid. They made their way to the madrassa, or religious school, where more than two dozen boys between the ages of 9 and 18 slept on the floors of several dormitory rooms.

A neighbor watching from a window across the street saw a flash and heard a loud explosion as the front gate of the madrassa was blown open. Inside, the noise awakened 12-year-old Bilal, who was huddled in a room with nine other boys when an Afghan soldier burst through the door.

“Wake up!” the man yelled in Pashto, pointing at the boys one by one with the barrel of his rifle, which was mounted with a flashlight. A second soldier entered, chose the two tallest boys, and led them out the door. The first soldier turned to leave, but before he did, he issued a warning to the rest of the boys cowering before him: “If I find you in this madrassa again, we won’t leave a single child alive.”

Bilal and the others squeezed together as far from the door as they could, with their backs to a large window facing a central courtyard. Many were in tears; others couldn’t speak. From the hallway, Bilal heard words he recognized as English.
“They’re not going to let us live,” a student murmured.

In preparation for death, some of the boys recited the Muslim declaration of faith, known as the Shahada: “There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger.”

Just then, the sound of automatic gunfire tore along the corridor. “For a very short time,” Bilal said, it sounded like “there were many guns.” Boys’ screams came next, followed by two loud explosions. “One shook the whole building,” said Bilal. “We didn’t hear anything after this. Everyone was silent.”

When the sun rose hours later, Bilal and about a dozen other students remained crouching in silence, some still trembling with fear. Nearby, in two of the school’s other rooms and in the basement, 12 more boys, their bodies mauled by bullets, lay crumpled on the floor."

There's having a different worldview, and then there's saying an invasion that cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people on false premises that was continued for years even though they knew they weren't reaching their objectives and lied about the prospects of it was justified.

like bro what even mainstream politicians admit afghanistan was a huge mistake

They do?

Sure, thanks for reminding me

It's bad to invade anywhere on bullshit pretences

I don't see why support for sanctions on russia must be incompatible with regret over the Iraq and afghan wars

Ukraine is bad like they were. We live in the present

So you would support sanctions on the US and NATO for Afghanistan and the US and the "coalition of the willing" for Iraq right? Because your stance on sanctioning Russia is solely based on principles and doesn't have anything to do with your Western chauvinism right?

I mean I'd understand why other countries would be implementing them? Its rational for countries in opposition to do it

Op updated

And you would support and advocate for those sanctions, because you're principled, right?

And you also advocate for sanctioning Israel right? And Saudi Arabia right?

I've got no love for Saudi because even if they weren't committing atrocities in Yemen, they're an oppressive fundamentalist autocracy. They're the best argument for developing alternate energy sources so we no longer have to be friends with them

I support Palestine and boycotting goods and services produced on land that belongs to palestinians

There's a country called Sweden which does the above and heavily support ukraine

Don't dodge the other question ho

If its an atrocious situation akin to ukraine (so like an iraq) I'd oppose the action and either tacitly support or not complain about sanctions. Of course they're going to hate you when you invade them for some bullshit reason

that op update is just an editorial