Russo-Ukrainian War

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  • Jul 3, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    No for sure the actions of a state aren't always just simply directly the cause of some cost-benefit a***ysis on behalf of its capitalist class, that's thinking too mechanically

    But its broader ideology can change over time, like we've talked about before, the US didn't always portray themselves as the protector of democracy until after WW2, and US ideology and its foreign policy rhetoric has shifted substantially after the fall of the USSR

    I mean even in China we've seen a shift over the years as well

    I don't disagree all I'm saying is that I don't think China is going to just up and change it's policy to a ground-breaking on a short-term basis due to wanting to grow their economy,it would essentially require a catalyst in the form of major events or forces to allow such to take place, which would be borne more than just the desire to expand material conditions alone

  • Jul 3, 2022
    MyBallsAndMyWord

    Your critique here?

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    Russia will most definitely win the conventional war- at least in Donbass.

    They probably will struggle to get much further

    It's when the Ukrainians start using bombs, lone snipers, and civil resistance that s*** gets interesting

    The aim for the west will be to get ukraine into the EU, as well as Georgia. And aid ukrianian resistance

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    Russia will most definitely win the conventional war- at least in Donbass.

    They probably will struggle to get much further

    It's when the Ukrainians start using bombs, lone snipers, and civil resistance that s*** gets interesting

    The aim for the west will be to get ukraine into the EU, as well as Georgia. And aid ukrianian resistance

    It's not a given that Russia will win the conventional war

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    Plankton

    It's not a given that Russia will win the conventional war

    I struggle to see their progress in the Donbass being undone by Ukraine alone

  • Jul 4, 2022
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    TragedyBerlusconi

    I struggle to see their progress in the Donbass being undone by Ukraine alone

    I agree, but that isn't the extent of the war. RU offensive capability will eventually exhaust itself and they will stop being able to advance.

  • Jul 4, 2022
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    Plankton

    I agree, but that isn't the extent of the war. RU offensive capability will eventually exhaust itself and they will stop being able to advance.

    Yeah and they’re still walking away with a quarter of the country at least regardless lol

  • Jul 4, 2022
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    MyBallsAndMyWord

    Yeah and they’re still walking away with a quarter of the country at least regardless lol

    Ukraine will still exist as a democracy

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    Plankton

    Ukraine will still exist as a democracy

    You’re delusional if you think Ukraine is a democracy

    And losing a significant portion of your territory is not “winning” lol

  • Jul 4, 2022
    TragedyBerlusconi

    Russia will most definitely win the conventional war- at least in Donbass.

    They probably will struggle to get much further

    It's when the Ukrainians start using bombs, lone snipers, and civil resistance that s*** gets interesting

    The aim for the west will be to get ukraine into the EU, as well as Georgia. And aid ukrianian resistance

    They're already using car bombs to assassinate important people. Somebody just died in Kherson a few days ago by one.

  • Jul 4, 2022
    MyBallsAndMyWord

    wtf do yall be talking about lmaooo

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    MyBallsAndMyWord

    You’re delusional if you think Ukraine is a democracy

    And losing a significant portion of your territory is not “winning” lol

    Ukraine is absolutely a democracy, and Russia’s goal was annexation. No one expected Ukraine not to lose any territory.

  • Jul 4, 2022
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    Plankton

    Ukraine is absolutely a democracy, and Russia’s goal was annexation. No one expected Ukraine not to lose any territory.

    Since when does liberal democracy mean banning 11 opposition political parties lol

  • Jul 4, 2022
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    everyone should just agree to never engage with a plankton post so he goes insane thinking he's been shadowbanned

  • Jul 4, 2022

    Lol NATO expansion is only gonna bring Russia and China closer

  • Jul 4, 2022
    Trash Star

    everyone should just agree to never engage with a plankton post so he goes insane thinking he's been shadowbanned

    doesn't work if you tell me

  • Jul 4, 2022
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    Scratchin Mamba

    Since when does liberal democracy mean banning 11 opposition political parties lol

    they are in an existential war

  • Jul 4, 2022
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    Plankton

    they are in an existential war

    It's not existential at all lol it's a seperatist war

    And even then banning 11 opposition parties is not exactly what you call a liberal democracy

    But it's funny to see when a country is allowed to take undemocratic action because of an outside threat and when they're not

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    Scratchin Mamba

    It's not existential at all lol it's a seperatist war

    And even then banning 11 opposition parties is not exactly what you call a liberal democracy

    But it's funny to see when a country is allowed to take undemocratic action because of an outside threat and when they're not

    It's an existential war

  • Jul 4, 2022
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    TragedyBerlusconi

    It's an existential war

    No it's not lol

    Not every invasion is an existential threat

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    Scratchin Mamba

    No it's not lol

    Not every invasion is an existential threat

    If russia accomplishes all aims, ukraine is a client state. To a country aiming to democratise, thats existential

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    Out there; but plausible

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    If russia accomplishes all aims, ukraine is a client state. To a country aiming to democratise, thats existential

    The peace deal they proposed didn't involve regime change or "denazification"

    It included sovereignty and recognition over Russian/seperatist territories and no NATO membership

    That's not existential

  • Jul 4, 2022
    TragedyBerlusconi
    https://twitter.com/TimothyDSnyder/status/1543326437742198784

    Out there; but plausible

    Timothy Snyder

  • Jul 4, 2022
    MyBallsAndMyWord

    Yeah and they’re still walking away with a quarter of the country at least regardless lol

    He said happily