TragedyBerlusconi

4y

Russophobia has a lot in common with anglophobia. Attach your own meaning to that

krishna bound

4y

not really

anti-english sentiment largely came as a result of UK imperialism and the british empire, as well as associated religious tensions

russophobia really has nothing to historically do with backlash to russian empire imperialism. much of it historically is racial (anti-slavic) and ethnic (association of slavs with jews). the political backlash to russians abroad is largely something new within the past 10 years. inner-russia conflicts (i.e. chechnya) were largely localized by comparison, unlike anti-english sentiment which was far more broad. Places like the baltics, Armenia (not erally anymore though), Azerbaijan, and Georgia retain some level with tension with Russia, but it's not really comparable to anti-English sentiment like the troubles in northern ireland or the backlash in India to the Raj, it's way more explicitly political. you also can't really talk about "historically" without comparison and acknowledgement eastern europe immigrants - largely from russia - to europe and america being shoved into ghettos historically in contrast to the recent resurgence of weird ethnopolitical anti-russian sentiment though. russophobia historically and now are completely different things, the recent resurgence is more of actual bloodthirsty reactions from unrelated countries which even anti-english sentiment really has nothing to do with.

americana

4y

No it doesn’t. Western attitudes towards Russia have never been equivalent to the UK, and neither have sentiments in the third world, a place colonized primarily BY the UK and not Russia

TragedyBerlusconi

4y

Ask people all over Eastern Europe and the caucasus what they think of Russia

americana

4y

Helloooooo I’m from afghanistannnnn the place “invaded” by the Russians

TragedyBerlusconi

4y

Ask people all over Eastern Europe and the caucasus what they think of Russia

krishna bound

4y

that's literally the point though. the legacy of russia in these regions is not comparable to the legacy of the british in the former colonial empire. russians were actually historically persecuted for ethnic reasons unrelated to their relationship to the (massively failed) project of the russian empire. british people never faced wide reaching political or ethnic consequence for anything, even their religious differences, only reactions in localized areas where they colonized. This is what the difference is - you're talking about a country with historically persecuted ethnicities completely unrelated to the government further facing widereaching international condemnation now suddenly inseparable from their government, moreover in countries which there isn't even an intrinsic relationship. Even in countries where the US has literally personally committed history shifting atrocities they don't feel this way or talk this about american civilians.

TragedyBerlusconi

4y

Disdain for Russia in Eastern Europe is about what you'd expect it to be. Its no worse than whats said about America.

And no one in those countries is prejudiced against Russia for those other reasons, it's because they kept them under their boot for ages

TragedyBerlusconi

4y

Do your views reflect that of the average Afghan?

americana

4y

Quite

We obviously keep them at arms length and criticize the war but there is not a malice for them like you’re proposing

krishna bound

4y

you said "anglophobia and russophobia are comparable". why is there not national hatred of the british in america and europe then on a political and social level related to their historical atrocities then? and no, minor political disdain for brexit or internet memes do not count. Disdain for russia in eastern europe and disdain for the british in india only makes sense to an extent. It completely falls apart if you look at it closer because the entire push of anti-russia sentiment comes on the international stage - ESPECIALLY ONLINE - from countries (and people) which were not effected by the russian empire or political project at all. If anglophobia and russophobia were comparable, we'd have americans saying we should consider nuclear bombing the UK to teach boris johnson a lesson.

TragedyBerlusconi

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While I can see where you come from, the strongest anti russia voices I've seen have been Poles.

Also we haven't really factored in the timings. What russia is doing is happening in the present so you may see an upswing in intense vitriol that simmers out after it ends. But altogether very few people want to nuke or cut russia up. Most are ok with sanctions and think it's dangerous but online views don't represent the public

krishna bound

4y

In this case online views are definitely reflective of popular views. Turn on any news station and see what they've been saying about Russia since like 2016. Keith Olbermann literally said that having russian ancestry was a "taint on your blood" and he "renounced his ancestors" during the Trump election cycle. And these are the supposed progressive people! Have you heard what people like Rachel Maddow have said about russians? Or like any other news broadcaster? Literally at the beginning of the ukraine war you had "progressives" on MSNBC insinuating russians were beasts and couldn't help themselves from killing and raping others. The stuff you hear about Russia is arguably even more insane irl than it is online. And this is in a country RUSSIA DID NOT EVEN INVADE OR GO TO WAR WITH. Until they start saying the same stuff about the British because of british colonialism it's not comparable.

TragedyBerlusconi

4y

I don't know about America. But in most of Europe except for former Warsaw Pact the worst youte going to get is 'they need to sanctions russia that putin guy is a psychopath'

It could be Americans are uniquely emotional people but over here it's generally strong disapproval without vitriol unless you're in the east

krishna bound

4y

In this case online views are definitely reflective of popular views. Turn on any news station and see what they've been saying about Russia since like 2016. Keith Olbermann literally said that having russian ancestry was a "taint on your blood" and he "renounced his ancestors" during the Trump election cycle. And these are the supposed progressive people! Have you heard what people like Rachel Maddow have said about russians? Or like any other news broadcaster? Literally at the beginning of the ukraine war you had "progressives" on MSNBC insinuating russians were beasts and couldn't help themselves from killing and raping others. The stuff you hear about Russia is arguably even more insane irl than it is online. And this is in a country RUSSIA DID NOT EVEN INVADE OR GO TO WAR WITH. Until they start saying the same stuff about the British because of british colonialism it's not comparable.

Y0rn

4y

You won't hear this sentiment in Europe at all btw. Yes, some eastern European countries 'hate' Russia but that's it. The relationship between Western Europe and Russia is very ambiguous

americana

4y

Quite

We obviously keep them at arms length and criticize the war but there is not a malice for them like you’re proposing

FranquitoReynolds

4y

You should read up on Russian history and how they stole 250 thousand kms of fertile middle eastern land in 1800s.

They don't give a s*** about us.

FranquitoReynolds

4y

You should read up on Russian history and how they stole 250 thousand kms of fertile middle eastern land in 1800s.

They don't give a s*** about us.

americana

4y

Im well aware, but advancing hostility is nothing

NothingIs

4y

how many of the people responsible for that do you think are still alive today?

do you understand how much Russian politics have changed since the 1800s?

this is really the dumbest s*** i’ve read today & i’ve read dozens of @TragedyGhaddafi posts