lmfao

Orc is non human
C***is still human
There is a difference

"Their" nukes

God I hope fire burns the smirks off these fascist pigs

Wagner group belong in spliffs

They're not orcs; they're people

But they really seem to love behaving like orcs

No one believes this bullshjt anymore

The real mistake was not admitting them to the bloc in 2007

If Lithuania hadn't joined nato it would already be gone

So the current line of strategy for NATO is using the Ukrainian people as cannon fodder for their geopolitical ambitions against Russia

Why extend even nominal Support for NATO

No it simply isn't that's f***ing stupid

Sure nato has an interest in Russia not gaining power, but this is kind of complicated by the fact the ukrianians now want nato, they want nato weapons and they want security

Stop denying them agency

Yeah and nato is happily giving them those so they may be cannon fodder against the Russians

Just cause nato has an interest doesn't mean this is bad, the Ukrainians want them so nato provides. It would be way more immoral to let them get steamrolled by Tsar Sauron

I can't believe Zelensky is spreading Russian propaganda

Maybe revealing that Ukraine wouldn't join nato would have actually emboldened the Russians to invade ukraine earlier

They wouldn't just let a fairly pro western Ukrainian government just sit there would they

tbf i listened to the full interview and that's not fully what he said, the tweet is kind of skewing it. you know i'm not usually one to try to defend anything involving NATO but i don't think it's fair to extrapolate the tweet from the interview itself.

Then why did they come with the demand of guaranteeing no NATO membership for Ukraine?

The fact of the matter is that the west was posturing about UKRAINIAN SOVEREIGNTY when even by Zelensky's own admission it was a fake sovereignty to uphold publically, while privately letting them know that Ukraine won't join NATO.

It looks like the tweet is by a crank professor using a dishonest English dub over zelenskys actual words.

Discard this f***ing stupid nonsense

the dub doesn't say what's in the tweet though. zelensky says he didn't disclose the fact that the west didn't want ukraine in NATO earlier because he needed to keep strategic ambiguity to Russia, thinking Russia wouldn't invade if there was a chance of ukraine joining NATO - he says since they were already at war 8 years earlier (i.e. crimea), he needed to keep up a facade of ambiguity in order to deter further action. even if it's true, the fact that the west never wanted Ukraine to join NATO completely damages the idea that the war was engineered to get ukraine to join NATO

Facts sorry I misunderstood you

I completely agree, the ambiguity was there so as to create a tangible threat should russia invade

i don't really blame him for doing that if that's the case especially knowing the western flank of the country was inevitably f***ed no matter what, he was just bluffing which is almost the opposite of provcation. if anything it shows the opposite of the tweet which is basically NATO never had interest in ukraine because they were such a volatile country vs the baltics where there was never a real hope of war. in that manner it really makes NATO out as being super weak, because they purposefully didn't want to get involved in anything volatile because they knew they'd have their bluff called if they pre-aligned with ukraine

that said i don't think it changes or excuses the fact that now that the conflict did actually materialize NATO powers (really just the US) are taking advantage of it however it does show the US & EU were very careful that they never wanted direct provocation of Russia, they wanted to dance around it, thinking it'd be a win-win (as far as their interests go), if Russia never invaded then they don't have to do anything, vs if they do they don't have to worry about direct war