Plankton

4y

Ireland is 110% Western and I've never heard someone say otherwise. They aren't down with your commie s*** either

SEGA GOON

4y

Ireland has tons of people sympathetic to socialism

TragedyBerlusconi

4y

So does everyone western country bro

Also the socialism you get in Ireland, embodied by the Sinn Fein party (Irish Labour are centre left as are the soc dems) is to build a national health service and tax more. Not maoism. They're probably about level with Corbyn or even slightly to the right

SEGA GOON

4y

Ireland has tons of people sympathetic to socialism

Plankton

4y

That’s not even socialism, that’s social democracy, which has massive support in every country

SCOUSER

4y

Doesn't it have like the lowest corporation tax in Europe

WRU

4y

spoke to my friend who's still in russia, he said that yeah nobody supports the invasion at this point (even among those who did at first) and they just want it to end

Scratchin Mamba

4y

Try telling actual western europeans that poles are westerners and watch em go on a racist rant about slavs

SCOUSER

4y

It's kinda the opposite to USA where socialism a dirty word bc as someone from the UK there's a lot of people here who like to describe themselves as socialists but aren't really about it, and would call the people who are, extremists

Nessy

4y

Dont racists fw poland cause they "protect their culture and ways of life unlike in western europe" tho

Plankton

4y

Yea, in France the Socialist Party is just the center left party like the Democrats and the actual left is something else. Many such cases.

Y0rn

4y

Democrats would be center right in most of Europe

Y0rn

4y

Democrats would be center right in most of Europe

Scratchin Mamba

4y

Try telling actual western europeans that poles are westerners and watch em go on a racist rant about slavs

TragedyBerlusconi

4y

?

You get racism towards poles by virtue of being immigrants

No geezer in your local pub will ground his prejudice towards poles on whether they're slavs or not

Scratchin Mamba

4y

Well Poland furthered the rise of the Nazis before they were invaded by Germany. They refused defense treaties with the USSR, annexed chunks of Czechoslovakia along with Nazi Germany after the Munich agreement (no wonder they denied passage to the Soviets to defend Czechoslovakia).

The USSR did invade Poland afterwards, but guess what that was territory that Poland took from the USSR only 20 years earlier, the exact thing Ukraine wants to do in the Crimea. But the bigger reason was that the Soviets didn't want Nazi Germany to advance all the way up to their boarder with Poland. Not exactly buddying up with the Nazis (in contrast to what Poland did with Nazi Germany in Czechoslovakia).

Now I still hold the line that the entire Molotov-Ribbentroppact was still an unjustifiable violation of principles, but it wasn't the USSR willingly working with the Nazis. It was the result of the USSR backed into a corner, finding itself with no allies against the Nazis, buying time and space to deal with the inevitable looming Nazi invasion, which the Poles were happy to actively aid in when it came to their benefit less than a year before it happened to them.

4am

4y

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Why exactly would Poland let troops from a hostile power into its land?

The polish weren't on good terms with neither the Soviets or the Nazi's. The Czechoslovak land grab was the same oppurtunistic land grab that the Czechs did for the same territory 20 years prior against Poland. The Czechs didn't ally themselves with the Soviets during the Soviet invasion of Ukraine* 20 years before to Ww2, same as the Polish didn't ally with the Nazi's after the Munich agreement. Unlike the Soviets who agreed to split Europe in half prior to the invasion of Poland.

But since you consider Polish invasion of Tsechin furthering the goals of Nazi's, then do you know what else can be considered aiding the goals of Nazi's? Making it easier for Germany to conquer Poland by invading the Poles instead of aiding them. Your favorite red dictatorship furthered the goals of Nazi's.

And did you forget that the Soviets lost land to Poland because they lost an invasion which they started? Seems like an odd thing to leave out. You don't get to whine about losing territory when you started a war and lost. I mean their invasion of Ukraine was a semi success so they should even be whining less.

So the USSR was backed into a corner by the Nazi's... and their response was to facilitate friendly relations and alliance talks with said hostile power? Weird how they wanted to be official allies with the Germans on top of being unofficial allies. Instead of you know, aiding the people already at war with your enemy. I guess the Soviets had superior brain power when allying themselves with their enemies unlike the inferior Poles in their dilapidated shacks grasping at the superiority of the Russian race.

TragedyBerlusconi

4y

Also ukraine isn't doing any opportunistic land grab in crimea. The place belongs to ukraine. It's russia that did the grab

4am

4y

Was talking about the Soviet Union invasion of Ukraine in 1917 to 1921.