tbh i kinda don't think it's a war declaration only because it's a NATO general. at least domestically in the US, Biden would be scheduled to have a press meeting (see: Bush for Iraq). Dementia aside, I definitely do not think the US would simply have Biden not announce involvement in what is basically WW3 in lieu of a NATO bureaucrat. The statement is likely a formal accusation or the acceptance of Ukraine into NATO, which is 100% escalatory for both parties, but it's not necessarily an outright declaration of war. The mutual ending is basically eastern Ukraine (Donbass, Kherson, etc.) goes to Russia and the west ignores it to not escalate war, but western Ukraine is absorbed into NATO alongside Sweden & Finland. Both sides would basically walk away from the war and claim they "won", esp. the US by proxy as europe would virtually resort back to complete US & NATO dependence + NATO would be strengthened, while on Russia's side they would be like "see guys we won, we liberated these regions and we didn't have to use the conscripted forces after all." Regardless of what you think of NATO, if Putin saw what has happened for over a year in Ukraine alone, if he thinks going beyond the annexed territory into a theoretical NATO controlled Kyv/Western Ukraine is a good idea, that may legitimately be the actual stupidest move by an authority in history. That said, inversely, Zelensky into annexed territory...

Oh I wasn’t trying to imply that, you’re absolutely right about that.

Regarding the statement. Isnt it more likely regarding the annexations (repeat they wont recognize them), the application of Ukrain (not necessarily the acceptance), and something about the Nord Stream pipes. Havent seen anything other than this screenshot about unprecented press conference.

the official NATO statement doesn't say it's unprecedented.

official NATO statement: nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_207793.htm
"On Friday, 30 September 2022, the NATO Secretary General, Mr. Jens Stoltenberg, will brief the media at NATO HQ. "

the "Unprecedented" was added in news headlines to make it seem more juicy basically. NATO press releases do indeed mark themselves as Major or Urgent sometimes (look at the atlantic council statement on afghanistan/taliban).

Considering they also had a vague statement about the pipelines yesterday (nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_207733.htm), it is definitely more about the annexation and how they plan to the treat non-annexed/annexed ukraine going forward.

nato.int/cps/en/natohq/events_67375.htm

Exactly, that Discord screenshot only causes nonsense.

just seems like basically the same rhetoric as already existed
"we will continue to support ukraine and they have to right to fight over annexed territory"
"well what about nuclear war"
"nuclear war is bad but a nuclear threat doesn't overrule a UN charted right"
"but what if they do escalate"
"well that'd be bad"

i never complained about globalism

i said anti-globalists are rocking and rolling

which they are

It’s amazing how much people can talk and say so little

crisis averted

for now

man really didn't say s***

a man can dream tho

Alexei Katerinichev killed by Ukraine

Can somebody explain the pipeline situation to me in layman terms?

ngl a lot of what putin said in his speech is definitely true but it's meaningless coming from him as a figurehead specifically

Someone sabotaged it. NATO blames Russia, Russia blames NATO.

Russia doesn't even control all of the territory "annexed"

Putin was spitting... but then he just had to lean into culture war s***

definitely one of those 'when pimp c says it its fire but when its on a jack harlow track not so much' situations

Mans went from US imperialism to its too many genders out here.

When the CIA told Germany about the Nordstrom attack several months ago, they actually warned them Ukraine was likely to do it as a provocation

Lol the fact that Reuters is even loosely entertaining the idea that the US or Ukraine might have done it tells you all you need to know

reuters.com/world/europe/qa-nord-stream-gas-sabotage-whos-being-blamed-why-2022-09-30

3 months since the “imminent” Kherson recapture

rationing munitions vs 5 hour barrages of cluster bombs, phosphorus munitions, and mortars

trouble hitting targets with dated equipment vs orlan drones, counter-battery radar systems, and hacked Ukrainian drones

inexperienced platoon leaders vs entrenched Russian positions with tanks shielded by newly built cement fortifications