Russo-Ukrainian War

Page 1722 of 1820
Reply
  • Feb 3, 2023
    chips

    pretty revisionist, yes plenty of ppl thought Russia would roll through without much trouble, just as plenty of ppl thought an invasion of this magnitude was unlikely to happen in the first place

    fair to say most were unaware of how lacking in quality Russia's personnel and equipment are

    would've been a sharp comment to make a year ago, not so much now.

    Definitely not revisionist if you look at what people like former Chancellor Angela Merkel and former President Yanukovych have said just the last couple months in regards to using Minsk 2 as a way to prep Ukraine for this very scenario.

    They’ve both said they used peace agreements as cover for training annd arming Ukraine for a conflict of this nature and that Ukraine in 2014 wouldn’t have been able to withstand this.

    I do believe tho that all sides got it wrong initially. Russia launched a campaign that much more quicker, would kneecap the country quickly, and the west expected it to work, but then gain advantage by sanctioning Russia into an economic collapse leading to Putins demise…..But ever since Russia changed to war of attrition and one that required fortified lines, incremental advances and going through each building to clear Ukrainian, it turned this into a multi-year battle

    Russias way of fighting this war post March 2022 is extremely different than what it was prior. The question now is who can last longer and keep supplying troops/arms, not who can win fast

  • Feb 3, 2023
    ·
    1 reply
    JaeRell

    Did anybody really expect Russia to just streamroll Ukraine because they're a "top military" power?

    I mean.. if you're following the war..Russia isn't just carpet bombing whole cities, then cleaning it up.

    Ukraine has NATO weapons, are well-trained, and have well fortified defensive positions. They are also on their home turf. The United States would have the same problems Russia is having if they took the same approach.

    You can't just call in the airplanes and send in the tanks like this a Call of Duty game to quickly win the war.

    The US would not have the same problems, Russia is just really incompetent

  • Feb 3, 2023
    ·
    1 reply

    Battles like Bakhmut play to Russias hand and everyone from the US to General Zaluzhny have been trying to get Zelenskyy to understand this.

    They like long battles where Ukraine continually reinforces and sends their men to die. It’s more important to wipe out troops and create a meat grinder than to quickly gain land

    It’s wild to see dude still come out today and say they’ll stay for as long as it takes. Is preserving troops and game planning long term the priority or is it PR?

  • Feb 3, 2023
    ·
    1 reply
    Plankton

    The US would not have the same problems, Russia is just really incompetent

    I wouldn't call them incompetent. I would say they underestimated the Ukrainians capabilities early on. They've made mistakes in the beginning of the war and adjusted. You don't see Russia putting their aircraft in harms way anymore now that they know Ukrainians defense systems can take them out. Now you see way more drone warfare.

  • Feb 3, 2023
    ·
    1 reply
    JaeRell

    I wouldn't call them incompetent. I would say they underestimated the Ukrainians capabilities early on. They've made mistakes in the beginning of the war and adjusted. You don't see Russia putting their aircraft in harms way anymore now that they know Ukrainians defense systems can take them out. Now you see way more drone warfare.

    They have troops deserting, low morale and unprofessional troops, tanks in the open without combined arms, etc. They are completely relying on artillery they can only use because they are on the border of Ukraine.

  • Feb 3, 2023
    ·
    1 reply
    Plankton

    They have troops deserting, low morale and unprofessional troops, tanks in the open without combined arms, etc. They are completely relying on artillery they can only use because they are on the border of Ukraine.

    All that may be true, but looking at the way things are currently going.. it isn't very significant.

  • Feb 3, 2023
    ·
    1 reply
    JaeRell

    All that may be true, but looking at the way things are currently going.. it isn't very significant.

    Yes, it is. A professional force with proper logistics and modern tactics and strategy would not be struggling the way Russia is.

  • Feb 3, 2023
    ·
    1 reply
    YANDHI

    Battles like Bakhmut play to Russias hand and everyone from the US to General Zaluzhny have been trying to get Zelenskyy to understand this.

    They like long battles where Ukraine continually reinforces and sends their men to die. It’s more important to wipe out troops and create a meat grinder than to quickly gain land

    It’s wild to see dude still come out today and say they’ll stay for as long as it takes. Is preserving troops and game planning long term the priority or is it PR?

    It's a war of attrition now. If Russia takes Bakhmut... it won't be easy.

  • Feb 3, 2023
    ·
    1 reply
    Plankton

    Yes, it is. A professional force with proper logistics and modern tactics and strategy would not be struggling the way Russia is.

    But both armed forces are professional and utilize proper logistics and modern tactics.

  • Feb 3, 2023
    ·
    1 reply
    JaeRell

    It's a war of attrition now. If Russia takes Bakhmut... it won't be easy.

    It’s easier when you’re using a contract group to do most of your work tho. Wagner leads the charge there and it’s been a 6 month grind which Ukraine has made hard the entire way regardless. Imo at least they put up the fight they needed to

    Ukraines own Defense Sec Reznikov said yesterday Russia has 500,000 men (he’s lying it’s prob 200-300k) just waiting around for orders on the inevitable offensive. Knowing this is coming, is holding the line on Bakhmut the important thing? I understand it in terms of Bakhmut being a major last grip of Donetsk but would you rather prep for what you know is coming or send men to reinforce a loss? The second those troops enter Russia goes from a slight numerical advantage (maybe it’s still less rn) to having hundreds of thousands of more troops. They gonna let their best die before this happens?

    It’s game planning that Ukraine hasn’t shown yet. When issues in Kherson got untenable, Russia just left. All of those men didn’t have to die or get injured for a losing fight that they coulda still held until now

    War of attrition also relies on who can prioritize better. You plan for months and years out. And mind you it’s the top generals there saying the same thing to Zelensky

  • Feb 3, 2023
    ·
    edited

    It’s like they didn’t learn from Mariupol, which was wayyy lighter than this will end up being once that encirclement is completed

    It benefited Russia when Zelenskyy had those troops stay and lock themselves in a factory. He even sent top pilots to break the line and save the situation and many died in the process

    abcnews.go.com/amp/International/ukrainian-pilots-flew-secret-aid-missions-azovstal-plant/story?id=85381756

  • Feb 3, 2023
    JaeRell

    But both armed forces are professional and utilize proper logistics and modern tactics.

    No

  • Feb 3, 2023
    YANDHI

    It’s easier when you’re using a contract group to do most of your work tho. Wagner leads the charge there and it’s been a 6 month grind which Ukraine has made hard the entire way regardless. Imo at least they put up the fight they needed to

    Ukraines own Defense Sec Reznikov said yesterday Russia has 500,000 men (he’s lying it’s prob 200-300k) just waiting around for orders on the inevitable offensive. Knowing this is coming, is holding the line on Bakhmut the important thing? I understand it in terms of Bakhmut being a major last grip of Donetsk but would you rather prep for what you know is coming or send men to reinforce a loss? The second those troops enter Russia goes from a slight numerical advantage (maybe it’s still less rn) to having hundreds of thousands of more troops. They gonna let their best die before this happens?

    It’s game planning that Ukraine hasn’t shown yet. When issues in Kherson got untenable, Russia just left. All of those men didn’t have to die or get injured for a losing fight that they coulda still held until now

    War of attrition also relies on who can prioritize better. You plan for months and years out. And mind you it’s the top generals there saying the same thing to Zelensky

    Maybe politics plays a significant role. Retreating could mean less money and support in the current and near future. There would be more pressure to negotiate and concede. It isn't all about the loss of lives unfortunately.

  • Feb 8, 2023
    ·
    3 replies

    seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

    interesting article lol, i think this is the same journalist who exposed the my lai massacre

  • Feb 9, 2023
    ·
    edited
    lake placid

    https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

    interesting article lol, i think this is the same journalist who exposed the my lai massacre

    Yep Seymour Hersh, one of the greats of investigative journalism. Tells a lot about the current state of western media that he'd need to drop a bombshell like this on his substack

    I understood some of the people who were skeptical super early on about the U.S doing it, but Victoria Nuland borderline confirmed it at that Senate hearing last week. This chronology of events tho is..... wow. These guys are f***ing idiots.

    Blinken, Sullivan and Nuland aren't even dangerous in the way their predecessors were, they just are inexperienced lightweights trying to play all of these grand moves and they get caught each time. They couldn't even ACT like it wasn't them who committed an obvious terrorist attack

    I doubt this was even a hard article for him

  • Feb 18, 2023
    lake placid

    https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

    interesting article lol, i think this is the same journalist who exposed the my lai massacre

  • Feb 19, 2023
    ·
    2 replies
    lake placid

    https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

    interesting article lol, i think this is the same journalist who exposed the my lai massacre

    It’s a shame that reporter has gone the nutjob route

  • Feb 20, 2023
    ·
    1 reply
    Plankton

    It’s a shame that reporter has gone the nutjob route

    ?

  • Feb 20, 2023
    Plankton

    It’s a shame that reporter has gone the nutjob route

    He does sound a little more unhinged as the interview goes along

  • Feb 20, 2023
    ·
    1 reply
    Yuzzy

    ?

    Formerly respected reporter baselessly accuses US of blowing up Nordstream

  • Feb 20, 2023
    ·
    1 reply
    Plankton

    Formerly respected reporter baselessly accuses US of blowing up Nordstream

    Its not a baseless accusation.

  • Feb 20, 2023
    ·
    1 reply
    Yuzzy

    Its not a baseless accusation.

  • Feb 20, 2023
    ·
    2 replies
    Plankton

    Someone blew up that pipeline

  • Feb 20, 2023
    Yuzzy

    Someone blew up that pipeline

    Please don’t do this with him man

  • Feb 20, 2023
    ·
    1 reply
    Yuzzy

    Someone blew up that pipeline

    Evidence it was US?