Elric

1y

People like you put liberals on blast for paving the way for fascism, to the point where it seems like you hate them even more than the fascists.

You made me read a whole dang book on the ineffectiveness of the western liberal pussies to unite again the Nazis (for fear of Communism taking it's place which isn't even a variable this time).

So help me understand how pulling a modern Neville Chamberlain and "ending" the war on Putin's terms is any different now?

Real question please don't wish death upon me or call me a Neo nazi for asking

eye contact

1y

This has been American diplomacy for 80 years if not more

The difference is that it was behind closed doors because previous leaders had a modicum of tact

SweJab

1y

Exactly. We got 2 witness usually happends behind the scene

fun guy

1y

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its not a "modern Neville Chamberlain" because Russia isn't Nazi Germany and doesn't seek to occupy all of Europe lol

try looking beyond the "NATO/Ukraine = good and Russia = bad" dichotomy, and think about who's interests it serves to have a prolonged war with Russia, where more and more conscripted working class Ukrainians will be sent to die. and if you're worried about democracy, don't look into what Ukraine has been doing to its dissenters/communists/opposition parties lol

eye contact

1y

It’s really funny because we’ve been saying for three years that Ukraine was cannon fodder that was going to be left out to dry and all of the liberals itt called us russophiles

And now they’re up in arms because America did exactly what we said they’d do as if it was some novel phenomenon and not a continuation of post-WW2 diplomacy

eye contact

1y

I think it’s important to understand that American participation in Ukraine was not one with the same agenda as Russia

Ukraine is far lower on the list of America’s overseas holdings in terms of priority. It’s less developed, more exposed, and less integrated than places like Japan, Korea, Saudi Arabia, Israel, the UK, Germany, etc.

On the contrary, it is the neighbor and primary satellite of Russia. There is massive cultural and economic overlap between the countries and they share a literal border and one of the most important naval access points in Europe. (Sevastopol)

Holding Ukraine is far more important to Russia than the US, considering its position relative to each. And, Ukraine is far more easy to control for Russia than for the US, given how many other satellites each country possesses. Russia was the one who would always be more able and more willing to escalate in the region

America recognized this, and understood from the outset that their objective in Ukraine was never to integrate and develop the nation as a satellite of the Western order. Ukraine is a place where attrition against the Russians could be initiated, as well as Syria. Ukraine was always a warzone and was always intended to be a warzone to the US.

Russia always wanted a stable, developed Ukraine that it could possess and maintain and exploit and protect as an imperial possession. Ukraine has no use to the Americans other than being a meat grinder. It’s important to attach intentions to the degree of meddling each country has in Ukraine.

Jimminy

1y

Hmm I wonder why fighting continue in occupied Ukrainian territory when the Russian government continued sending military units across the border post-Minsk

eye contact

1y

It’s really funny because we’ve been saying for three years that Ukraine was cannon fodder that was going to be left out to dry and all of the liberals itt called us russophiles

And now they’re up in arms because America did exactly what we said they’d do as if it was some novel phenomenon and not a continuation of post-WW2 diplomacy

OnceAgain

1y

This kinda weird since you wish death on everyone here lmao

Jimminy

1y

Separatists were still fighting the moment the Minsk 2 agreements were signed because they said it didn’t apply to that region

OnceAgain

1y

Both can be true tho

There are some russophiles itt too

snowboyrari

1y

yeah if you're a stupid idiot, maybe

OnceAgain

1y

Most people who disagree with you are to you so..

eye contact

1y

Okay but it’s not true

OnceAgain

1y

Sure bro, read the thread back

OnceAgain

1y

Both can be true tho

There are some russophiles itt too

kurapika

1y

A lot of ppl just want america to take an L its not really more complicated than that which is fine but they always end up seeming like a hypocrite

Like that whole syria debacle like how do you even begin to justify assad at all

Vert1600

1y

Top 1 been know since forever

Infinito

1y

Acting high and almighty in a Kanye West Forum in a politics thread must be a lifetime achievement for some of yall

snowboyrari

1y

vertical1600 is a white supremacist who used to pretend to be black