it’s not a controversial opinion what i’m wondering is how does that opinion square with the opinion that russia invading is wrong
cus i don’t get what the mental conclusion is if you simultaneously think that it’s wrong for ukraine to be invaded but also that it’s wrong for them to receive help defending themselves
Giving a country weapons that it will eventually give to Nazis for the sake of defending themselves in a war they can’t really win militarily is kinda illogical
Nazis receiving those weapons and being able to possess/distribute/use them at their own desire does nothing achieving long lasting peace and equality in the region
The Azov battalion is one of the closest units to the Russian majority Donbass region. Let’s say they’re able to push their way into the Russian centers with these newfound weapons. What do you think the course of action would be when Nazis find themselves in an area with the ethnicity of their invaders?
ok so no weapons bc no peace and potential bad consequences in the future, but does that mean the present ukrainians should just surrender/lose/die?
like that’s the part i don’t get. if russia is wrong to invade them, but it’s also wrong to support ukraine while they’re being invaded, then the stance appears to just be “whatever happens happens”
fr if Nazi sympathizers are such a small minority, why the f*** can't they just remove them from their ranks?
it's too late now. but this conflict didn't arise out of nowhere, they had 8 f***ing years! 8 years of even the West/EU condemning Ukraine's government for sympathizing with Nazis yet they literally did jack s*** to resolve the issue and instead embraced Nazi sympathizers.
The West has fumbled this entire situation so hard and hopefully revionists don't forget this. It's a lose lose no matter what, as if sending a billion dollars worth of aid now is gonna do anything but increase the number of casualties while also potentially arming violent far-right militias, who aren't gonna just disappear after the war
So because of the 1000 "nazis" who have no political powerr we cant help the country of 44 million? I hope you keep this energy for everything.
Giving a country weapons that it will eventually give to Nazis for the sake of defending themselves in a war they can’t really win militarily is kinda illogical
Nazis receiving those weapons and being able to possess/distribute/use them at their own desire does nothing achieving long lasting peace and equality in the region
The Azov battalion is one of the closest units to the Russian majority Donbass region. Let’s say they’re able to push their way into the Russian centers with these newfound weapons. What do you think the course of action would be when Nazis find themselves in an area with the ethnicity of their invaders?
stop with this nazi bs please
ok so no weapons bc no peace and potential bad consequences in the future, but does that mean the present ukrainians should just surrender/lose/die?
like that’s the part i don’t get. if russia is wrong to invade them, but it’s also wrong to support ukraine while they’re being invaded, then the stance appears to just be “whatever happens happens”
Open talks for a neutrality agreement, the West doesn't want that tho, they want a Western aligned Ukraine at all cost.
Open talks for a neutrality agreement, the West doesn't want that tho, they want a Western aligned Ukraine at all cost.
Russia doesn’t want a neutral Ukraine either, though.
Neither side is coming to the table with good intentions.
nice to see we're still on the nazi stuff
Again it's only bc ppl say we wrong for opposing the arming of nazis
You cool with arming azov Battalion?
ok so no weapons bc no peace and potential bad consequences in the future, but does that mean the present ukrainians should just surrender/lose/die?
like that’s the part i don’t get. if russia is wrong to invade them, but it’s also wrong to support ukraine while they’re being invaded, then the stance appears to just be “whatever happens happens”
Realistically the course that leads to the least deaths is literally Ukraine “losing” and then Russia literally collapsing from the economic pressure that created these conditions
How do you expect the Russians to occupy the entire country when they’re as popular as can be right now?
Reminder that I don’t care for immaterial terms like “winning” or “freedom” etc. I don’t want people dead and I don’t want armed Nazis
Russia doesn’t want a neutral Ukraine either, though.
Neither side is coming to the table with good intentions.
Well they've shown willingness to accept a neutral Ukraine, unlike the West.
Open talks for a neutrality agreement, the West doesn't want that tho, they want a Western aligned Ukraine at all cost.
there will never be neutrality, either from russian or western influence
Well they've shown willingness to accept a neutral Ukraine, unlike the West.
what do you mean with shown
there will never be neutrality, either from russian or western influence
Well we'll never know bc the west closed the door for that
there will never be neutrality, either from russian or western influence
And yet its the one sensible way forward
So because of the 1000 "nazis" who have no political powerr we cant help the country of 44 million? I hope you keep this energy for everything.
learn reading comprehension
touch grass
Does anyone know if this is true?
That's scary asf.
Dudes sitting there bumping music trying to be casual and he literally pulls up to an execution
And yet its the one sensible way forward
of course but none of the parties will allow that
ukraine is too important in terms of geopolitics
Does anyone know if this is true?
wtf
So because of the 1000 "nazis" who have no political powerr we cant help the country of 44 million? I hope you keep this energy for everything.
Ah yes every single Nazi and pro-nazi person in Ukraine is concentrated in a single 1000 person battalion
this might seem crazy but do y’all think that Putin/Russia could just start firing the nuclear nukes if they get cornered?
this whole thing doesn’t sit right with me…
wouldn’t the best solution be to arm Ukrainian soldiers under the condition that they don’t arm the 1000 or so Nazis?