These are the same people who were denying this was even gonna happen and are now downplaying it.

Nah. The effect is the same!

I'm trying to remain positive. It's the only way.

Russian, American, and Ukrainian political experts all agreed that this invasion under the conditions of feb 23 was unexpected

OK SO THE EFFECT IS THE SAME?

SO THEN IT WOULD BE INCORRECT TO SAY ITS SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE IN THE US, NO?

Yeah. I never said it was worse in Russia or the us. It’s the same

US corruption effects more people tbh
But corrupt is corrupt

Do you know what I mean when I say legitimise?

we already knew that...

why is this nigga yelling

Just seen live footage of the bombings in Kharkov jfc

OH MY F***ING GOD MY POINT IS ONLY THAT SAYING ITS WORSE IN THE US THAN IT IS IN RUSSIA IS A STUPID (AND FRANKLY IGNORANT AND PRIVELEGED) CLAIM TO MAKE THAT GETS IN THE WAY OF LEGITIMATE CRITICISM OF US OLIGARCHY

yes, but id argue it affects them to a lesser degree

MF DOOM tribute

these three dudes have missed my point about 15-20 times in the last few minutes it's driving me nuts

1,000,000 dead iraqi civilians says otherwise

these people can brush over millions of dead brown civilians... but not no thousand white casualties... nope, THE END IS NEAR!!

And then Ukraine wondering why no one wants to help them lmao

look it's like ur just intentionally missing my point I'm pretty sure we agree on almost everything except a few specifics

I meant that US corruption affects US citizens negatively, but to a lesser degree than Russian corruption affects Russian citizens. US citizens going "we got it worse" sounds dumb and is frankly pretty privileged and ignorant, no? I think we agree on this.

"always" isn't accurate; the data in the polls you linked are from 2015, one year after Russia's annexation of Crimea, which saw Ukrainian's support for Russia dwindle drastically. However, prior to the annexation, Ukraine-Russia relations were much closer. Study I linked earlier from 2011:

Also see this Wikipedia section:

I’d say innocent people being forced to be complicit in their government waging war overseas for money while they starve at home is the same condition for both countries

The US just does it across the entire world while pretending they’re something they’re not

Also, effects of US corruption are def larger on a global scale, but this isn't because the US is more severely corrupt than russia, its because the US has significantly more global power than Russia.

I think we agree on this also.

It's fair to say that if Putin's Russia was in the position of the US as a hegemonic power, atrocities would be committed on a similar, if not larger, scale