its always interesting to see a bit of correlation in the political views of people who refer to it as "the Ukraine"

They wanted a pro-US president, they even got the exact guy that the wanted with Yatsenyuk, but because the US didn't have total control that now means they have no responsibility?

And the US knew they were funding Nazis, they were called out for it for years and didn't do anything about it. Now it's too late already and the Nazis are officially part of the Ukrainian military.

No one is claiming Obama or the US Government are secret Nazis, simply that they are more than happy to back far-right organisation if they are pro US. They are indifferent to far-right ideology the quest for global hegemony.

The US will support the most extremist and reactionary portions of the population to fight in their proxy wars.

Whether those are Wahhabist extremists, far-rightists in Latin America or Nazis in Ukraine. It's how they have always operated.

If they can support Islamic fundamentalism idk why these people think fascism is where they would draw the line lol

Every country, esp the USA, is willing to back radicals for their own gain. See what happened in the Middle East

And because of where the US lies ideologically those are on the far right more often than not.

People really defending Russia cause of an ideology

And contemporary Russia has nothing to do with that ideology

what ideology is that? Dictatorship? Oppression of people? Manipulation, propaganda and lies?

you would be right

y'all missed some history classes if you can't understand why literally every single eastern European country except Belarus aka mini-Russia wants to rather be allied with the west than Russia and China

Quote me where I did that heau

I had whole discussions itt abt how Putin opposes Lenin and the USSR bc they gave Ukraine too much autonomy in his opinion

Ukraine itself didn't want to be a part of NATO before 2014

yeah that's because a lot of Russians live in Ukraine

but it's 2022 and the ratings for EU and NATO have never been higher

guess whose fault is that

Russia is gonna make Finland and Sweden join NATO as well if they keep up

It's the result of Russia's actions in the Crimea and Donbass which is the result of the US policy of NATO expansion.

Me and @offline talked about this earlier itt. Most Eastern European countries would prefer to have stronger economic ties to the West by default, but that doesn't necessarily translate into a broader political and military alliance, that depends on their relations with Russia at that time, as is evident by how Ukraine shifted on this.

t.me/rian_ru/147273

ok, so Russia will "only" recognize the actual/de facto LNR and DNR borders aka the frontline. no invasion further the frontline at this point.

that will probably freeze the conflict for some time

edit: t.me/rian_ru/147279

the kremlin spox just said the opposite lol

seem like russian officials are contradicting themselves, s*** is weird

Dont both statements say they recognize the areas within the Donbass claimed by the republics tho

this is the red scare all over again, Russian edition. America has went to war twice over aggressive invasion and expansion from countries before, Korean/Vietnam war, both were failures and were profoundly unpopular. Now that a Nuclear power with a standing army is doing it instead of fledgling powers, America cant make a move. Any form of actual meaningful deterrence will escalate the situation even more. Just let Russia take Ukraine, cuz if we stand in the way its literally WW3. America always trying to play world police and it cant even police its own country right.

no, first one put empaphis on the reality of the territory the separatists control right now

second one on what the separatists consider their territory is, which is partly occupied by the ukrainian army right now

as you can see, the interpretation means a lot here

Like honestly anybody who is American who gives af? We spend trillions policing the world and people in our own country are suffering every day and our inner cities look like 3rd world countries. Personally I don’t give two f***s about whatever the elite and these old white f***s are b****ing about.

He’s gonna take Ukraine and when the media stops talking about it, you all will shut the f*** up and go on about your lives . People only give a f*** because the media told you to, by exposing the gate of information to you. Once that gate is closed by the media within a week we won’t even be concerned in the slightest about this arbitrary conflict.

As a 27 year-old, I've experienced:

9/11
The economic disaster of 2008
Austerity
Brexit
Covid
War?

One god damn thing after another, that's what life is.

Gonna experience some severe consequences of the climate crisis too

We not going to boots on the ground war. The most you’ll get from the United States is America supporting Ukraine by proxy.

Which would just drag the war on longer than it needs to be and end up killing more people.

I think from the first announcement yesterday they already recognized the entire region, the question is if the Russian troops will go beyond the regions in Russian control

Well yeah unless they join NATO, which won't happen anytime soon but is cerainly a possibility in the near future

If Ukraine joins NATO and "liberates" the Crimea as they have hinted at before then it rly is over