Oh yeah, Russia will win and regime change will happen. But then Ukraine will change in a guerilla warzone. The armed population won't support that government at this time and Russia can't occupy the whole of Ukraine forever

Could/would they trade out demilitarization for giving the separatist states to Russia?

Feels like kind of a stupid statement but

Why should the ukraine do that lol

nah because Putin will always see Ukraine as a threat

they shouldnt

they are asking a sovereign state to give up its ability to defend itself

a neutral ukraine basically means russian alignment, but quietly
it will default to being at the mercy of its neighbour who basically leverages energy and naval dominance over it

Are you 12

"unconditional consideration of"

These are not all breaking points, I could see him concede on the denazification and demilitarization and use their refusal to do so as a way to put them in a bad light.

Deleting the post. Yall mfs really be some vultures just ready to strike

i expect some kind of purge, but it won't probably be enough yeah.

hard to predict that will happen after a regime change tbh

Calling them "The Ukraine" is terminology used by the former USSR to mean "the border".

The country should only be referred to as Ukraine without the "the"

Ukraine should definitely be denazified tho

Just not by an invasion. That doesn't work anyway.

Not even that post was just silly lol no hard feelings

maybe the de-nazification part because Putin doesn't give a f*** about nazis in Ukraine.

but he will never accept the presence of an army in Ukraine

they just have to get rid of azov

The presence of an army?

You don't think he literally wants 0 soldiers in Ukraine right lmao?

Yes. He'll want more land because of the northern crim canal, but it's likely that such a deal is what will lead to peace.

Oh unfortunately it's much more than that

bandera was a bad guy but i struggle to find many national heroes who also werent f***ed up

we'd have to go to town on coutnless nations who deify genocidal maniacs too

i don't get what you mean lol

yeah, i think Putin doesn't want the presence of a proper army that would seek revenge against Russia in Ukraine

He wasn't just a bad guy he was a Nazi lol

And it's more than just the Bandera law

The Ukraine

Bro literally every state has a proper army lmao, that wouldn't work unless you're saying Putin wants Ukraine integrated into the Russian Federation as a Republic

The revenge part would be ruled out by the neutrality agreement

Guess you rather be a bigot

If Putin is willing to poison opposition in his own country, I don't think he'll be hesitant to purge out any resistance after a regime change.