Jul 30, 2020
GrisegoGood reference here:
https://www.billboard.com/music/kanye-west/chart-history/HSI/song/1172087
Crazy how a JIK song outperformed most MBDTF songs
which one? I don't see any JIK song on there above Power or AOTL
Jul 30, 2020GrisegoIf measured by radio play, Graduation.
If measured by influence on music, 808s or Yeezus.
Jul 30, 2020·2 repliesGrisegoGood reference here:
https://www.billboard.com/music/kanye-west/chart-history/HSI/song/1172087
Crazy how a JIK song outperformed most MBDTF songs
Idk, I don't think it's possible to compare pre and post streaming numbers. How many people torrented MBDTF that would have streamed it had streaming services been more widely used in 2010? Streaming also creates this weird thing of treating every individual song as a single which I don't think is fair for comparison. Thriller, for instance, is a crazy album because people bought the singles and the album. Or The Beatles holding all of the top 5 spots for a week is insane because people bought all five singles. With streaming if you have the biggest album in America, every song is going to chart.
Jul 30, 2020Yeezus wins this contest for me by a little margin
- Jul 30, 2020·1 reply
808s had mass appeal? Wtf you talking about - people hated that s*** when it came out
- Jul 30, 20201800DOCTORB
Idk, I don't think it's possible to compare pre and post streaming numbers. How many people torrented MBDTF that would have streamed it had streaming services been more widely used in 2010? Streaming also creates this weird thing of treating every individual song as a single which I don't think is fair for comparison. Thriller, for instance, is a crazy album because people bought the singles and the album. Or The Beatles holding all of the top 5 spots for a week is insane because people bought all five singles. With streaming if you have the biggest album in America, every song is going to chart.
People didn't torrent in the US, those that did.... negligible.
Around that time I downloaded something and got a letter.
And Hot 100 only counts US.
- Jul 30, 2020·1 reply1800DOCTORB
Idk, I don't think it's possible to compare pre and post streaming numbers. How many people torrented MBDTF that would have streamed it had streaming services been more widely used in 2010? Streaming also creates this weird thing of treating every individual song as a single which I don't think is fair for comparison. Thriller, for instance, is a crazy album because people bought the singles and the album. Or The Beatles holding all of the top 5 spots for a week is insane because people bought all five singles. With streaming if you have the biggest album in America, every song is going to chart.
Also Thriller era was waaaaay before Kanye. So moot point.
I was already using streaming at the MBDTF time. Everyone was.
- Jul 30, 2020
soccerfanjMbdtf for his career 808s for his influence
- Jul 30, 2020·1 replyGrisego
Also Thriller era was waaaaay before Kanye. So moot point.
I was already using streaming at the MBDTF time. Everyone was.
Sure, the Thriller comparison was more talking about how Billboard records keep being broken which I don't think think is a fair comparison. Not specifically about Kanye. Re: the use of streaming, I have to disagree. Services like Spotify certainly weren't even close to as widespread in 2010 as they are now. S*** just from 2015-2020 Spotify went from 25m subscribers to 125m. I preordered MBDTF on iTunes and anything I didn't care about enough to pay for came from TBP, most people I knew were the same. Plus from my admittedly very quick googling Billboard didn't start figuring out how to count streaming until 2014, and last tweaked it in 2018. So MBDTF was probably closer to how something like Thriller was tracked than to how even TLOP was tracked.
Jul 30, 2020There is only one way to rank Kanye albums and it is this:
808’s
Yeezus
MBDTF
TLOP
LR
CD
Gradlarge drop off
JIK
ye
Jul 30, 2020GrisegoUh
Love Lockdown was no 3 on Billboard Hot 100
thank you
- Jul 30, 2020ThuggerBaby
neither of those songs were top 40 on Billboard
Power actually got to top 25 and Runaway almost top 10
and then ofc you had the other really big hits like Monster and AOTL
yeah 808s was no where near as big as MBDTF
Didn’t Love Lockdown peak at 3 on the Hot 100?
Jul 30, 2020·1 replyshwoomer808s had mass appeal? Wtf you talking about - people hated that s*** when it came out
this...
i remember being on the forums when 808s dropped and people were pissed. but then it grew on everyone over the years. just was ahead of its time
as someone whos listened since before TCD, i'd say either TCD or MBDTF were his most important to me. but id say graduation is what gave him the most commercial appeal. when "cant tell me nothing" was big, its all you heard for a long ass time
- Jul 30, 2020
MBDTF was made 2 please the white people and the white media, though it is a classic it’s not the defining Kanye experience people claim it is
That would be 808’s
- Jul 30, 20201800DOCTORB
Sure, the Thriller comparison was more talking about how Billboard records keep being broken which I don't think think is a fair comparison. Not specifically about Kanye. Re: the use of streaming, I have to disagree. Services like Spotify certainly weren't even close to as widespread in 2010 as they are now. S*** just from 2015-2020 Spotify went from 25m subscribers to 125m. I preordered MBDTF on iTunes and anything I didn't care about enough to pay for came from TBP, most people I knew were the same. Plus from my admittedly very quick googling Billboard didn't start figuring out how to count streaming until 2014, and last tweaked it in 2018. So MBDTF was probably closer to how something like Thriller was tracked than to how even TLOP was tracked.
Ok you make a point about Spotify, but regardless...
All songs ranked on the Hot 100 are ranked against their "peers". So, other songs from other artists in the MBDTF era were also torrented, streamed, etc...
So, in the end, the hype of MBDTF compared to other music at the time can indeed be compared and so the Hot 100 was indeed a good measure of relative hype at the time.
- Jul 30, 2020·1 reply
808s is the glue that’s holding everything together. It’s HIS sound.
- Jul 30, 2020·1 replygorillaglue OG
808s is the glue that’s holding everything together. It’s HIS sound.
Gorillaglue OG has spoken and it is law
- Jul 30, 2020airric
this...
i remember being on the forums when 808s dropped and people were pissed. but then it grew on everyone over the years. just was ahead of its time
as someone whos listened since before TCD, i'd say either TCD or MBDTF were his most important to me. but id say graduation is what gave him the most commercial appeal. when "cant tell me nothing" was big, its all you heard for a long ass time
Even my mom listened to 808s. It was all over.
- Jul 30, 2020Kanye 2024
Gorillaglue OG has spoken and it is law
Amen
- Jul 31, 2020
I'd say CD
Jul 31, 2020I love that album
Jul 31, 2020·edited·1 reply
YevinMbdtf saved his career
U could also argue that 808s was critical to his career longevity in that he took a creative risk unlike ever before
- Jul 31, 2020robocat
U could also argue that 808s was critical to his career longevity in that he took a creative risk unlike ever before
Perhaps but he was the laughing stock of the music industry when it dropped, no one f***ed with it at all and his sales were not nearly as good as graduations
And then he went on stage shortly after which didnt benefit him, so mbdtf was his make or break