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  • Apr 27, 2021
    The Darkest Angel

    You got 3 topics in op but I'll start with the first

    "Has the polarization of high fashion become oversaturated within music and no longer holds true value within the state of rap today?"

    No, what value do you think it's lost compared to 5 or 10 years ago? What are you basing this off? Your feelings? Not to be rude but it's actually got bigger over time. I suspect you're no longer in that demographic but as you can see from youtube, Instagram and tiktok the value is stronger than ever. Whether that means anything is up to you but if we go by number of people younger and older people are still watching what rappers wear and taking influence. Virgil and other designers come ditectly from the music culture and cite influence. Start up brands are still relying on rappers wearing their clothes. All these big collaborations sell out constantly

    We hitting peak value as far as music and fashion feeding off each other. Social media has only enhanced the value of high fashion in hip-hop, there may or may not be oversaturation but it's not having a negative effect on the value in an measurable way

    Trust, I know about the new designers taking new positions at fashion houses who come from streetwear and rap backgrounds. I'm very up to date with the explosion of reach within the youth & rap TODAY compared to 2011-2015

    And I am saying, the integrity that brands and houses HAD no longer exist to the extent that collections had years and years ago. BUT at the same time racism within fashion was very prominent at that time too. Still, the certain collaborations, creative directors, and just overall aesthetics & qualities of the brands were upkept and upheld in a certain light.

    Now it's literally a moneygrab, nothing is serious anymore.

  • Apr 27, 2021

    And I seen this shift happen when Heidi went to YSL, he's literally had only a few collections at Celine that really interested me since. Then when Virgil took the spot at LV and Matthew at Givenchy.

    Virgil is doing a great job btw but a lot of his personal brand has became cookie cutter

  • Apr 27, 2021
    The Darkest Angel

    Well of course he's mostly known for his main career and focus but he's definitely influenced the fashion culture. I don't care for his taste but it can't be ignored if we're looking at the entire culture

  • Apr 27, 2021
    Jbreezyondeck

    They all hop from one expensive brand name to another and 90% of it is garbage it’s wild to me man. If I were rich I’d be content being able to cop some Nike techs with ease or some other basic s*** lol don’t need to drop racks to be fresh

    Not even that I would most def. have a brand of choice that still values it creations and not letting every damn rapper who DOESN'T alight with it's art degrade the brand.

  • Apr 27, 2021
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    That's because it moved from fashion to actual lifestyle like vlogs

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    le epic poster xD

    That's because it moved from fashion to actual lifestyle like vlogs

    explain

  • Apr 27, 2021

    RAF SIMONS RICK OWENS USUALLY WHAT IM DRESSED IN

  • Apr 27, 2021
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    KUBERA

    explain

    no i dont want to 😝

  • Apr 27, 2021
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    le epic poster xD

    no i dont want to 😝

    attempt bro

  • KUBERA

    attempt bro

    Travis Scott's brand is fortnite and McDonald's music now

    Meek mills brand is Crypto and stocks

    Kanye west = politics

    idk anything about the fashion realm but those are things Associated with different artists brand as opposed to fashion nowadays

    Also lot of rappers trying out streaming many hanging out with Adin Ross (polo g, lil tecca, lil yachty for example)

    idk why i said vlogs but lifestyle does seem like a fitting term

  • Apr 27, 2021
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    I always thought fashion & hip hop went hand in hand

    What about run dmc major affiliation with adidas

  • Apr 27, 2021
    EuroNymous

    I always thought fashion & hip hop went hand in hand

    What about run dmc major affiliation with adidas

    sports streetwear

    I'm talking high fashions

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    KUBERA

    I get what you're saying but clarify

    i guess there's an interesting conversation to be had about commodities and one about art status quo / cultural hegemony.

    where these fashion brands are designed to sell you not the actual fabric of the clothing but the inner transcendence woven in that fabric.
    so having artists coopt the brands commodification of this inner transcendence for their own brand does two things imo.
    One is that like the topic of ur post it dilutes the general understanding of the brand and what their brand of transcendence is supposed to be.
    The other is that it forces you to grapple with the idea that these commodities are in fact common.
    And interestingly enough now the brands are purchasing the rappers commodification of their own identity and authenticity to then resell to the masses at large.

    there's also this really lame and subtly racist idea that black people are being artistically transgressive just by being associated with things traditionally considered to be bourgeoisie.
    the issue is more so art having to be deemed transgressive enough by the bulk of america's tastemaking communities to be held in high esteem.
    the more the high fashion aesthetic continues to be recycled and repurposed to the point of cliche, the less transgressive and therefore the less "artistic merit" it holds.

    or something along those lines

  • Apr 27, 2021
    deadacc

    i guess there's an interesting conversation to be had about commodities and one about art status quo / cultural hegemony.

    where these fashion brands are designed to sell you not the actual fabric of the clothing but the inner transcendence woven in that fabric.
    so having artists coopt the brands commodification of this inner transcendence for their own brand does two things imo.
    One is that like the topic of ur post it dilutes the general understanding of the brand and what their brand of transcendence is supposed to be.
    The other is that it forces you to grapple with the idea that these commodities are in fact common.
    And interestingly enough now the brands are purchasing the rappers commodification of their own identity and authenticity to then resell to the masses at large.

    there's also this really lame and subtly racist idea that black people are being artistically transgressive just by being associated with things traditionally considered to be bourgeoisie.
    the issue is more so art having to be deemed transgressive enough by the bulk of america's tastemaking communities to be held in high esteem.
    the more the high fashion aesthetic continues to be recycled and repurposed to the point of cliche, the less transgressive and therefore the less "artistic merit" it holds.

    or something along those lines

    I just typed a very good reply and f***ed it all up