GoldOf1000Mornings

3h

I've supported Rae since the 90's. I don't "idolize" him. I hold human beings in general to a certain standard. One standard would be not contributing to entities that inflict genocides and spy on citizens, terrorize populations, and act worse than any American police force in the country. I'm expressing my disappointment in a human being who is behaving like a demon and contributing to hurting us all. Who here said anything about idolizing anybody? Does enjoying an artist's work mean I idolize them? Please. My support for this demon is done. Man has been a wealthy celebrity for more than half his life now, so don't give me s*** about "oh he just getting his bag". How much is enough? Man sold his soul. Period.

raps2

1d

Not defending Palantir, it blew my mind today finding out Spider-Man (Brand New Day) using flock cameras to catch "the bad guys" lmao and then I saw another comment that said they essentially replaced his pizza parlor and Daily Bugle jobs with him working for the police lmfaooo is in the new movie lol

But none of these niggas behaviors or morals have changed it's just become socially en vogue to criticize them for engaging in behaviors that align with Big Bad Trump or Big Bad Police Technofeudal State. But the thing is nigga once they get that first M them niggas ain't trying to go back to being "regular" and in their mind that means proximity to whiteness and big corps lol

None of this s*** goes against the ethos of a nigga who would sell #CRACK to their people in the first place lmao

raps2

1d

The whole premise of being a mainstream rapper after like 2003-2006 is being an agent for all the s*** the government wants urban youth to continue to perpetuate

This was viewed as a republican/Uncle Tom take and still mostly is viewed that way, but in the 2020's the "bad s***" rappers do happens to overlap with what the youthful (<35) zeitgeist also concurrently thinks is wrong lol

RICHAXXVOYCE

2h

Playing devil’s advocate, Alex Karp is a Black multi-billionaire and Rae is probably an investor but still

Tuneout

3h

its also because the cia has been involved with the script writing process of most of these movies for a long time.

and the premise of watchmen, the original comic, was about how superheroes are fascist perpetrators of a police state. which is cool alan moore made that connection way back before comics were viewed as a serious artistic medium

Poolboy Q

2h

I need a Big Ghost review on this situation

GoldOf1000Mornings

3h

I've supported Rae since the 90's. I don't "idolize" him. I hold human beings in general to a certain standard. One standard would be not contributing to entities that inflict genocides and spy on citizens, terrorize populations, and act worse than any American police force in the country. I'm expressing my disappointment in a human being who is behaving like a demon and contributing to hurting us all. Who here said anything about idolizing anybody? Does enjoying an artist's work mean I idolize them? Please. My support for this demon is done. Man has been a wealthy celebrity for more than half his life now, so don't give me s*** about "oh he just getting his bag". How much is enough? Man sold his soul. Period.

rustcohlestan2

2h

did alex karp ever even claim his black side? genuinely asking

Benny Boy

1h

It precedes the founding of the CIA. Dashiell Hammet blueprinted noir fiction based on his experiences as a Pinkerton private detective. Those were the guys who did union busting and whatever dirty work private money needed to be done during the guilded age. The time of robber barons and magnates. Cowboys and indians. Cops and robbers. Heroes and villains. American genre film and then its comic industry are both deeply rooted in such things. The private interests who would hire the Pinkertons are that class of people who become US intelligence during WWII. Peak comic book circulation takes off after the war. The two tent poles had already long been crime fiction and superhero fiction.

I actually just recently watched a movie from the 90s (Ransom 96) that was originally based on an episode of television from the 50s. I couldn't understand why the critical message of the film was ultimately anti-union when it had very little to do with the plot. That episode of television aired on The United States Steel Hour presented by the United States Steel Corporation. It would be easy to not notice any of that. The very framework of these genres is practically invisible to the people enjoying them.

huey p rxcan

1h

i’m not worried about if rae sold his soul nigga we talkin ab niggas who made CREAM

i’m a grown ass man i haven’t been disappointed niggas was demons since i was in hs bro

disappointed not the word, im not even surprised. get money niggas have always had an edge of demonic in them. that’s the part i don’t understand with y’all niggas

you can be disappointed in your fellow man, but we live on completely diff planets if you think it’s normal to spend emotional energy on a rapper being a staunch capitalist at the expense of humanity

Tuneout

1h

this is insane! i knew it went way way back but hearing the specifics is interesting

great pull

Benny Boy

1h

It precedes the founding of the CIA. Dashiell Hammet blueprinted noir fiction based on his experiences as a Pinkerton private detective. Those were the guys who did union busting and whatever dirty work private money needed to be done during the guilded age. The time of robber barons and magnates. Cowboys and indians. Cops and robbers. Heroes and villains. American genre film and then its comic industry are both deeply rooted in such things. The private interests who would hire the Pinkertons are that class of people who become US intelligence during WWII. Peak comic book circulation takes off after the war. The two tent poles had already long been crime fiction and superhero fiction.

I actually just recently watched a movie from the 90s (Ransom 96) that was originally based on an episode of television from the 50s. I couldn't understand why the critical message of the film was ultimately anti-union when it had very little to do with the plot. That episode of television aired on The United States Steel Hour presented by the United States Steel Corporation. It would be easy to not notice any of that. The very framework of these genres is practically invisible to the people enjoying them.

Benny Boy

19h

Weird to start there if this is your working theory.

insertcoolnamehere

2h

One standard would be not contributing to entities that inflict genocides

I mean was the crack epidemic not a genocide in itself lol

huey p rxcan

1h

i’m not worried about if rae sold his soul nigga we talkin ab niggas who made CREAM

i’m a grown ass man i haven’t been disappointed niggas was demons since i was in hs bro

disappointed not the word, im not even surprised. get money niggas have always had an edge of demonic in them. that’s the part i don’t understand with y’all niggas

you can be disappointed in your fellow man, but we live on completely diff planets if you think it’s normal to spend emotional energy on a rapper being a staunch capitalist at the expense of humanity

insertcoolnamehere

1h

You gotta remember a LOT of hip hop fans (especially young black males) come into it with a lack of a father figure and in turn replace said empty father figure with these rappers as if they aren't some of the most flawed out of all of us and then wonder why when they get older still have this superman-like pedestal image of niggas that literally sold poison to their own community just to get by lol.

and said rappers can say like they been saying since the 80s, "I'm not your role model, I'm just a nigga that make music" and technically he is right and the onus should most certainly fall on the failing systems and community leaders around said hip hop fans for not stepping up BUT we can't take away accountability for the things lotta people be force feeding to these niggas.

Hov can say, "Hov did that so hopefully you won't have to go through that" and that still won't take away the subject matter of Hov glorifying the d*** game throughout his albums (yes he commented on the pitfalls too but D'Evils aint become a single the way Where I'm From did, which as sad as it sounded, did make Marcy Projects come off "cool" to people)

Like cmon dawg if none of this was true, you wouldn't be seeing black kids across the world screaming free durk.

GoldOf1000Mornings

36m

This is a false equivalency. Selling crack in his youth as a struggling kid in a messed up situation isn't the most moral activity in the world, but people grow. I knew a lot of people who sold it in the 90's. A few were real deal cold and morally bankrupt, but most were decent people who were doing it because it's what they knew to do to get by. Some of these people are dead, a couple locked up, some are straight edged family dudes now who have regrets. Rae is a grown man who doesn't need more at this point in his life, and if he does, he has options that aren't as scummy.