I can actually very much respect this response because it’s rooted in educated thought not emotion. Basically we’re in agreement that all presidents in our lives have been hot piles of s***, but Trump’s personal behavior and how it impacts his public work is what leads him to the top of your list?

I can respect that

I like Obama but even at that he's mid.

But i also pay attention to how much congressional gridlock he had to get more legislation through that would genuinely help people.

The fact his major focus was providing healthcare to people that could not get it was admirable but it got lost in the bureaucracy and political bullshit that is the US government and healthcare industry. I say industry because its made to profit off of sick people so thats inherently wrong in the first place

I've seen people who essentially hated Obama before, go and speak about how ACA ended up saving their life because the healthcare industry was screwing them over since they were of lower income and it helped them get the care they need. I think it was a solid step in the right direction in a massive overhaul healthcare needs in the US

The war on terror was launched by a republican president and inherited by a democratic one and theres all this centrist blending and bullshit about how he is obligated to fight ISIS and while Seals did kill O.B.L. during the Obama admin, it still doesn't solve the crumbled and destroyed societies that we are complicit in bombing and otherwise.

The reason I don't single him out, but rather give a blanket statement of all presidents since 2000 is because it's the same practice of killing people overseas just a new shiny portrait with a red or blue border around it. That's more to do with how the country itself prides itself on the military way too much and is not really the fault of any one president but has been a thing since WWII

I think Pres. Obama played it too safe on too many issues, in multiple ways, trying to stick to the center/moderate, but I see how he would have thought if he went further left he would get even LESS done in an obstructionist congress

Corporatism, institutional racism including for-profit prisons that benefit off of companies getting their products made there for legal slavery wages (Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime... 13th amendment) are all issues that are a large part of American existence

which yes many democrats as well as republicans support

I just think that we were so far back by the time 2007 came around that you can't put it on one person, the first black president ever, to do everything and i think race does play into that and it goes both ways because he was expected to do certain things because of his race and meanwhile if he did, he'd be hated, if he didn't he'd be hated.

Trump is a spoiled man-child and I don't want to waste any more brain cells talking about him. he should have never been president but at least it woke us up to how bad things can get, and exposed in a greater light to a new generation how much these issues really are built in to the system.

We can talk about the individual person who is president, their admin and terms (which are a bit different as they reflect the government as a whole), or just the government in general and how it's made to function since the beginning, which is problematic in itself regardless of who's in office

sorry for the thesis lol

So many deeper points to get into lmao. I’d especially like your opinion on why/how you think the US government structure is problematic to begin with.

The problem with Obama for me is, like you said, as the first Black president I expected so much more from him due to the fact that we share a race. Him being mixed just like myself made it feel even more personal. No I’m not saying I expected a free handout like critics of this mentality tend to say, but I thought he would be the one who actually passes federal legislation to pardon non violent d*** offenders (an action which is merely addressing the tip of an egregious iceberg) instead Trump did it. His failure to actually produce effective legislation, AND complicity and honestly participation in modern day slavery leave a disgusting taste in my mouth. When Trump is a disgusting human being, so I’m not surprised when he acts as such (even through policy). I saw Obama for the first time after I had spent one year in this country as an immigrant. He was the most inspirational figure I had ever seen in my life at that point. And when I became politically aware and realized how much of a failure Obama truly was I felt betrayed as Black man. I felt like he sold the Black community out to get himself in office and then proceed to do nothing for us. It’s funny because I always judge people’s biases towards Trump because they seem to be based off his personality, but in a very strange way that works almost the opposite, that’s where my bias for Obama comes from.

All in all I agree with actually everything you said, and although as a person who is a more right leaning libertarian (policy wise and economically) I’m obviously not necessarily displeased that Obama’s left leaning policies never reached their highest potential. This actually reminds me of a conversation I had with my friend where I was telling him that Obama’s background and how he was brought up was under socialist philosophies and he basically refused to believe me because of his actual actions in office but I think what he failed to realize is that if Obama had a progressive congress he would’ve gone haywire lmao.

All in all f*** every person that’s served office since I been alive. I literally immigrated to America in October of 2007 probably weeks before the stock market crashed lmfao. Understanding what I do now, Bush is definitely the guy responsible for most of my family’s troubles in this country, but I do appreciate his administration letting some negritos from Colombia come here right before he bounced🤣.

Afghanistan, and I agree with everything you said and thank you ♥

No one said elegant young man at all, if that's the narrative you want to have go ahead.

I do believe the media and right wingers like to paint Obama as an awful president who is evil, and was some of awful president who wanted the worst for its people.

Like come on... if you truly believe Trump is better than Obama, than you are fine with racism, and like to turn a blind eye to everything Trump does.

No I just like Trump’s policies more. He isn’t very much different from Obama though which is why I place Obama directly below him. I’d say the biggest difference is his climate policy and his rhetoric that panders to white supremacists. With the history of this country honestly, no it doesn’t bother me very much I just care about what he does politically. I must say though he’s botched this entire year so far in my opinion. Sad since he was coming off what looked like his best year.

What trump policies do you like more compared to Obama ?

Same s***, different toilet.

Absolutely fam. Starting watching mad documentaries about the Middle East and Islam (idk if you’re Muslim but I just bring it up since it’s so tied together for so many people) and it’s honestly a tragedy what outside influences have driven the area to be what it is today. It’s not remotely perfect but it’s definitely not what it could be had it been left alone.

Best wishes to you🙌🏽

Keep in mind this positive opinion is all pre-2020.

Mostly foreign affairs (I know call me nuts lmao). I appreciate his deterrence techniques instead of Obama 2nd admin’s catastrophic approach of engaging in diplomacy with terrorist dictators. I understand that he was trying something new, and the constant backlash from his own peers was no help, but dude really fumbled it with that Iran deal. I also appreciate his efforts with North Korea and although I hate the fact that he praises Kim Jung Un (yes I know what I’m saying is wildly contradictory but the context is important- North Korea is already nuclear) I think it set a precedent for the Kim regime to at least try to ease its hostility.

Prison reform is my favorite thing he’s done since he’s pardoned 3,000 inmates and lowered the sentences of almost 2,000 non violent distributors of crack cocaine. It’s an extremely small step but it’s huge in comparison to what we’ve gotten in the past.

I will say when it comes to foreign affairs the one thing I wish Trump would adopt from Obama is the catch and release policy (so long as the release occurs in their birth country) instead of locking people up (and kids) for cheap labor.

Yeah Obama's foreign affairs in general were dealt with poorly I can agree with.

I actually hate how Trump deals with foreign affairs, I actually believed him when he said he was going to disengage in all military combat in the middle east, but he lied and instead is bombing much more than the Obama administration ever did.

I hate how this he goes on Twitter rants, and wants to escalate problems like he's beefing with high schoolers.

The way he dealt with other countries trying to migrate into this country was disgusting.

His foreign trade policies are also based on ignorance.

The way he mistreats one of the biggest economic benefits for Americans (Mexico) is also disgusting.

I will be able to agree to come sort of extent with you that it's good Trump is going for a different approach but this one was as bad if not worse than what Obama was did. I'm happy he opened a dialogue with Kim.

And I've read that most of his foreign policies are actually backfiring on him, but I could be wrong.

Obama ain’t do sh!t for black folks

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