Jul 12
raps· edited“The Boston Celtics without the 2008 championship is just some old niggas at a YMCA”
Unfair comp
Jul 12
ryuHNas was huge
Not as big as Nelly or Fif but this is the same strawman argument that people are having about J Cole and Future
Nas was making platinum albums AND rapping at an elite level far beyond Fif or Nelly or any of those guys
I’m not arguing anything in bad faith man, but you can track the other big 3’s trajectories pretty easily compared to the trio of Nas Hov Em , Nas & Big were literally hot at the same time
Jul 12
Mafia Bossits too much singing for me.
fair, im a r&b pluto truther
Jul 12raps“The Boston Celtics without the 2008 championship is just some old niggas at a YMCA”
I mean
If they didn’t win a championship then they wouldn’t be champions yeah.
Jul 12·1 replyMafia Bossits too much singing for me.
-Nicki stan
- Jul 12raps
After 2013-2016 Niggas performatively want to s*** on traditional lyricists and i never will understand it
No man it’s just that the albums j cole makes are not good.
- Jul 12·1 replyMafia Boss
future tours well and so does cole
future didnt start touring arenas until 2016 though and even then he co-headlining with drake
Jul 12·1 replyraps“The Boston Celtics without the 2008 championship is just some old niggas at a YMCA”
Cole won the championship once and Future did it over and over
- Jul 12shaleirose
Not s***ting on traditional lyricists but Cole isn't like the best of the best when it comes to lyricism
Who are they listening to man. What’s he spitting on these albums that we’re missing.
- Jul 12·1 replyAbyss
Cole won the championship once and Future did it over and over
Except in 2014 who released better projects Cole or future
Jul 12·1 replyshaleiroseY'all kill me on here man
Y'all will start an argument with a nigga, then when the nigga responds turn and go "look how he's starting an argument again"
We was having a friendly, unheated conversation about music, that was not an argument at all
nigga the comment was made in jest and the user I quoted fully understood my intention. enjoy your Sunday afternoon and don’t let this thread work you up too much
- Jul 12·1 replyshaleirose
What is Cole better at as a rapper than Future besides lyricism and storytelling?
isnt this all you need to be better at rapping than someone? lol what more is needed?
only thing Future has over Cole is his ability to make hooks and his ear for production
ICEMAN40 🧤Jul 12·2 repliesIdk but Drake is number 1 and it’s really not close lol.
- Jul 12·1 replysabic sabion sab
-Nicki stan
- Jul 12·1 replyJim Halpert
Except in 2014 who released better projects Cole or future
Also, back to the commercial point, this reminds me of something now that you mentioned 2014
Cole's commercial peak is seen as 2014 Forest Hills Drive, which released in December 2014, so it had its run in 2015
Future is widely seen as the MVP of Rap in 2015, and that was off the strength of the three-mixtape run, DS2, and WATTBA
So Future dominated the year with three mixtapes that didn't even sell a single copy, the same year that Cole's biggest album was making its rounds
- Jul 12·1 replyNoFace
isnt this all you need to be better at rapping than someone? lol what more is needed?
only thing Future has over Cole is his ability to make hooks and his ear for production
No, not at all. There are so many more aspects to rapping than just lyricism and storytelling
Jul 12·1 replyICEMAN40Idk but Drake is number 1 and it’s really not close lol.
Not even top 6 on the list
- Jul 12·1 replyafterimage
nigga the comment was made in jest and the user I quoted fully understood my intention. enjoy your Sunday afternoon and don’t let this thread work you up too much
It's 2026 y'all need to stop referring to friendly discussions as arguments and realize none of this s*** is that deep
- Jul 12·1 replyshaleirose
No, not at all. There are so many more aspects to rapping than just lyricism and storytelling
like what? because the other things you mentioned you lumped under lyricism lol
- Jul 12shaleirose
Also, back to the commercial point, this reminds me of something now that you mentioned 2014
Cole's commercial peak is seen as 2014 Forest Hills Drive, which released in December 2014, so it had its run in 2015
Future is widely seen as the MVP of Rap in 2015, and that was off the strength of the three-mixtape run, DS2, and WATTBA
So Future dominated the year with three mixtapes that didn't even sell a single copy, the same year that Cole's biggest album was making its rounds
Interesting point.
But Cole was saying s*** like “give a virgin the urge to rape me” what a lyrical genius.
- Jul 12·1 replyNoFace
like what? because the other things you mentioned you lumped under lyricism lol
Flow, delivery, cadence, presence, songwriting ability
You can have all the lyrical miracle lines in the world and be a s*** rapper (not saying Cole is)
Jul 12·2 repliesNoFacehow do you hate HNDRXX
Always thought FUTURE was better
- Jul 12·1 replyICEMAN40
Idk but Drake is number 1 and it’s really not close lol.
read the room man
- Jul 12Leftside
Always thought FUTURE was better
A man of culture I see.
- Jul 12·1 replyshaleirose
It's 2026 y'all need to stop referring to friendly discussions as arguments and realize none of this s*** is that deep
yeah everyone already understood that besides you big dawg