yes but scientific theories aren’t always held as 100% fact
they are theories that people continue to research. people still research the big bang to see if there’s anything we missed anything else that occurred etc.
Could you look me in the eye and say the same for astrology? @Cookies
They are by many people. People will argue up and down for science as dismiss anything else because it can’t be proven by science.
I can look you in the eye and say yes
They skipped over it because nobody who is pro-Astrology can prove the correlation between the position of celestial bodies to a person's behavioral patterns.
Someone asked this a few pages back and it too was skipped right over.
Can you explain it?
I must not have seen it. Like I said tho, why do you look at everything logically? I don’t do that. There isn’t always logic in this life or universe whatever you wanna call it. It’s been proven the wether and seasons and such affect behavior no? Astrology is also bigger than just your behavior or personality but you guys will harp on that all day to scoff at it like I said
I must not have seen it. Like I said tho, why do you look at everything logically? I don’t do that. There isn’t always logic in this life or universe whatever you wanna call it. It’s been proven the wether and seasons and such affect behavior no? Astrology is also bigger than just your behavior or personality but you guys will harp on that all day to scoff at it like I said
Looking at things logically is how we arrive at "fact" (....which is what this thread challenges in the title), otherwise you have a belief system such as Astrology.
Could give a f*** about astrology, but this man out here comparing it to science? Ffs I cba
I hate the pretentious nerds who act like science explains literally everything. In the grand scheme of things humans don't know s***.
Universes creation? Big bang obviously. God doesn't exist idiot, there's no scientific evidence!! According to my hypothetical theorem, I shall lose my virginity by age 40.
Looking at things logically is how we arrive at "fact" (....which is what this thread challenges in the title), otherwise you have a belief system such as Astrology.
Those “facts” are not always facts
If you’re not gonna read any of what I said and dismiss it as trolling I could care less about your opinion and you can gladly f*** off.
Whoa man you should consult the stars before you use such language. They gonna tell you to suck my d*** tomorrow and you will get on your little b**** ass knees because you're a slave to modern day fortune cookies you f***ing troglodyte
A typical, empiricist description of the functions of facts and theory in scientific activity might be as follows:
Facts are simple observations of the world, and they do not change over time.
Theories are hypotheses about what these facts mean, or how they should be understood, and they change over time. Theories that have been around for a while, and survived many attempts at falsification can be regarded as robust scientific theories. (This is what distinguishes, say, the theory of evolution by natural selection from, say, my friend’s theory about why Americans are so loud.) But, they may still change over time.
This view supposes that the process of observation is completely straightforward.
I want to step back and problematize the notion of scientific fact.
What is a Scientific Fact?
First, let’s distinguish between different types of facts.
The most straightforward kinds of facts are things that we see happening. For example, we watch someone drop an apple and assert, “the apple fell to the ground.”
Empirical Facts
Empirical facts are things that we can assert about the world based on direct, straightforward observational evidence.
Unfortunately, very few scientific facts are of this kind. Even simple observations may be more involved.
When we observe something for the first time, we may not know what we are seeing – seeing involves assumptions.
When we measure something, what we actually see is a certain set of marks, or movements on our instrument.
Most scientific facts are a combination of observations and other beliefs we have about the world.
Even the idea that the natural world is governed by laws is not something that we can immediately perceive – it has not been universally believed by all rational observers.
Conceptual Facts
Conceptual facts are things that we assert about the world based on strongly held philosophical views that we have about the kind of world in which we live.
Most of the facts that we believe are true are actually conceptual facts.
Even facts for which there is strong evidential support are not understood evidentially by most people, and sometimes turn out, in retrospect, to be incorrect.
You don’t think things and findings about science happen everyday? You don’t think science has caused division and wars? Everything you’re saying can be applied back to you. Nothing is perfect.
Science causes division between maga ass hats and others but nobody has used science to oppress anybody unless you are trying to act like something like phrenology is a science. Science is never the cause of war, though it can be attributed to making war more devastating due to the technological impact we have seen created through it. If anything, everything we have created and made is a tangible cause of science and is about the closest thing you will ever find to direct proof that something works. Good luck finding any real proof of religion or astrology or whatever.
There are findings that happen in science everyday, but it never deeply contradicts what we have known before. Its ridiculous to compare that to something like astrology where the most opposite of humans can both be a Leo and they try to make sense of it.
Some dude literally used the power of science to accurately pin point and track enemy communications in world war 2 and decipher them despite having zero knowledge about their secrets but apparently science is just make believe
@Niggamortis ^
That post agrees with what I said prior. Facts do not change, they can be correct or incorrect. Theories are what change. Regardless, both (empirical and conceptual facts) rely on observation and a sense of tangible evidence, and one heavily forms our observed data and knowledge into the mold of formulas that support prior data. Because of that, they can change overtime due to shifting theory and its interpretation.
Now, use empirical and/or conceptual facts to prove a correlation between celestial bodies and our mind. You will have a real thread ready for discussion after that.
That post agrees with what I said prior. Facts do not change, they can be correct or incorrect. Theories are what change. Regardless, both (empirical and conceptual facts) rely on observation and a sense of tangible evidence, and one heavily forms our observed data and knowledge into the mold of formulas that support prior data. Because of that, they can change overtime due to shifting theory and its interpretation.
Now, use empirical and/or conceptual facts to prove a correlation between celestial bodies and our mind. You will have a real thread ready for discussion after that.
Like I keep saying there’s illogical things on this earth that can’t always be explained with logic so it’s not simple to use these types of observations
Like I keep saying there’s illogical things on this earth that can’t always be explained with logic so it’s not simple to use these types of observations
So you are agreeing by saying things like mystic arts or theories relying heavily on a belief system are illogical.
You can believe in astrology or whatever but you have a very poor understanding of science at a base level lol
they arent good faith questions lol, maybe the first one was.
but this isnt a hill im gonna die on so
But they are good faith questions. I’m not claiming to be no expert I’m just skeptical about the linkage between spirituality and quantum physics a lot of people believe in.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mysticism
“Quantum mysticism is considered by most scientists and philosophers to be pseudoscience or quackery.”
This is the same level of logic that flat earthers use to justify themselves. Their biggest argument is "have you seen the planet from space? Then you don't know it is round"