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  • Dec 9, 2022
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    fun guy

    also, im not saying that the maoists in India have a perfect strategy towards achieving socialism, they still have a lot of flaws and corruption imo. but im mainly focusing on a critique of the CPI (M), not tryna do an expose on the achievements of Maoists (maybe one day)

    Maoists in India aren't held in nearly the same regard as the CPI (M) in left circles. and in India I think the CPI (M) is much more celebrated than the Maoists overall who are often painted as being nothing more than terrorists

    CPI (M) ideologues like Vijay Prashad are getting international acclaim. Hes entrenching the narrative that the CPI (M) is the "true" Communist party of India thats worth supporting while the Maoists are irrelevant and actively HARM the revolution, which is bullshit.

    Even if you disagree with the Maoists, that doesn't mean the CPI (M) is right

    i think CPI (M) thinkers like Vijay dish out idealogical fodder which is consumed by lazy mfs who sit on their ass and dismiss the people who are actually deeply involved in struggle, putting their lives on the line in order to fight against capitalism, as some kind of leftcom meme that shouldn't be taken seriously. Vijay Prashad is a f***ing b**** bro and he married a white woman

    web.archive.org/web/20220315021153/sanhati.com/news/307

  • Dec 9, 2022
    fun guy

    yea, my stance has changed after doing more research

    I guess I fail to see how improving the material conditions of people through capitalist development alone will lead to socialism or empower the working class. like, what does "GDP per capita" tell me about the strength of the working class? This isn't to say that poverty reduction isn't important, I'm not a psychopath. but as a Marxist, why should I care about financial miracles achieved by adopting capitalism? Strictly from a Marxist perspective and not a humanitarian one.

    https://twitter.com/pinarayivijayan/status/894884381101219840

    good job CPI-M for doing a better job than the rest of India. and good job to the CPC for drastically reducing poverty in China. but how does this necessarily lead to the development of socialism?

    capitalist development and reducing poverty or w/e ≠ socialism.

    is it possible to improve the material conditions of people without completely embracing neoliberal development? can you develop socialism without going through decades of capitalist development? I think so

    a lot of “marxists” are really just third-world nationalists with an affinity for the welfare state

  • Dec 9, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    @krishna_bound

    https://twitter.com/dailycaller/status/1600658643141419008

    and joe biden wants to transcend trade union consciousness

  • Dec 9, 2022
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    i hope carl schmitt is being engaged with critically, but some of it may be useful for thinking about stuff

    i should read political theology soon tbh, but i think i would conceive of the concept backwards, it is mostly a theoretical response to bakunin

  • Dec 9, 2022
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    sniper

    i hope carl schmitt is being engaged with critically, but some of it may be useful for thinking about stuff

    i should read political theology soon tbh, but i think i would conceive of the concept backwards, it is mostly a theoretical response to bakunin

    Come on bro lol obviously a couple Maoists aren’t extolling Schmitt and taking his word as gospel. Of course it’s being read critically. And all good Marxists read everything critically anyway

  • Dec 9, 2022
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    Sir Real

    Come on bro lol obviously a couple Maoists aren’t extolling Schmitt and taking his word as gospel. Of course it’s being read critically. And all good Marxists read everything critically anyway

    wrong im bringing schmittian thought to the forefront

  • Dec 9, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    wrong im bringing schmittian thought to the forefront

    let your nuts hang bro f*** it

  • Dec 9, 2022
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    BTW nobody knows if yall are referring to the Marxists or Maoists when you say CPI M

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    I am warming up to the Brenner theory of capitalist transition but it seems to me that where Arrighi/Wallerstein are too loose with their definition of Capitalism, Brenner is too restrictive. His definition of Capitalism borders on idealist and even OECD countries would violate it.

  • Dec 9, 2022
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    Womanpuncher69

    wrong im bringing schmittian thought to the forefront

    -Kanye

  • Dec 9, 2022
    Lein

    BTW nobody knows if yall are referring to the Marxists or Maoists when you say CPI M

    yea i used to support cpi-m but nowadays i support cpi-m

  • Dec 9, 2022
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    krishna bound

    -Kanye

    People discussing a Nazi theorist on a Kanye forum? shocking!

    jk

  • Dec 9, 2022
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    Lein

    BTW nobody knows if yall are referring to the Marxists or Maoists when you say CPI M

    CPI (M) is the Marxist party

    also @deadac peep the last page, curious if you have any thoughts on what I said

  • Dec 9, 2022
    fun guy

    People discussing a Nazi theorist on a Kanye forum? shocking!

    jk

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    fun guy

    CPI (M) is the Marxist party

    also @deadac peep the last page, curious if you have any thoughts on what I said

    cpi-m(maoists) have committed excesses and ive seen a few perspectives considering them to be overly adventurist. they have been fighting a long ppw that should be supported.
    -my reading was a while ago but looking at some notes the self-identified issues w the maoist groups is that they neglected the importance of mass work in comparison to the level of armed struggle they were engaging in. they faced immense indiscriminate state violence where many civilians were slaughtered as well, foreclosing the possibility of public mass-based revolutionary activity in many areas.

    cpi-m(modiists) are essentially china style left nationalists, doing good work as socdems in kerala and other communist controlled states but are pretty much fated for destruction at some point, as no matter how much bullshit socdem appeasement they do right nationalists will just say they are radical leftists that support the maoists and eventually will be crushed when the time comes.

    you know my position is that the monopoly capitalists are my principal enemies atm, so critical support to 3rd world socdems and i hope they figure their s*** out before it's too late. im not an accelerationist although i haven't really sculpted out the material of specifics of why so even though all socdems churn out useless concessions to the working class to suppress revolutionary potential for the time being i think that's fine.

    edit: for the record i think your position is the correct one. i just wanted to include these other angles that were not included in ur initial post into a fuller consideration of the correctness.

  • Dec 9, 2022
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    this twitter account is hilarious

  • Dec 9, 2022

    @sniper ive been meaning to ask if you had any good anarchist theory that addresses like the typical counterpoints.

  • Dec 9, 2022
    deadacc
    https://twitter.com/itmechr3/status/1599088550791692288

    this twitter account is hilarious

    iirc this was actually gonna happen because alex jones brought up mao and kanye was about to go on a tangent about how he loves stalin, mao and jeffery dahmer

  • Dec 9, 2022
    deadacc
    https://twitter.com/itmechr3/status/1599088550791692288

    this twitter account is hilarious

    i f***ing hate this guy, what a corny ass gimmic
    someone post that one dudes face please some1 remember

  • Dec 9, 2022
    sniper

    i hope carl schmitt is being engaged with critically, but some of it may be useful for thinking about stuff

    i should read political theology soon tbh, but i think i would conceive of the concept backwards, it is mostly a theoretical response to bakunin

    xxx beat women
    2pac was a rapist
    biggie was fat
    schmitt was a nazi

    accept it, at the end of the day I only care about the music

  • Dec 9, 2022
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    Rant incoming after arguing with a leftist acquaintance about the mechanics of consumption taxes. Massive wall of text, sorry.

    I feel like a portion of educated leftists in the West are stuck in a time loop. They spend a lot of time researching history, philosophy, reading up on what past leaders have done like Mao, Stalin, etc. have done and spend a lot of their time pretty much regurgitating their ideals and basically idolizing them in real life and online.

    None of these particular people know how the levers of capital work in the modern world. They've never studied/learned about an ounce of economics. Or accounting. Or policymaking. Which is completely fine, but they treat it as something completely foreign to them and not worth their time.

    How can you possibly fight against a force that you don't even understand? What will you do when a revolution or significant change does occur? I'm not saying all leftists should be accountants, or economists, or revenue agents, or policy a***ysts, but the number of educated leftists in the West who don't utilize their privilege maximally to at least have a cursory knowledge in modern business is staggering.

    This is mostly coming from the place that the same acquaintance has chastised me constantly for going into a "business/capitalist field" as a leftist, but she does pretty much nothing in relation to praxis. She had the privilege of going to college, majored in English Literature, does nothing in terms of organizing, applicable knowledge or skills, or even just assisting the disenfranchised, but judges people within her own little book club. And has the gall to call herself a revolutionary agent.

    Anyway, that fills my "serious post in this thread" quota for the year.

  • Dec 9, 2022
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    ASAKI

    Rant incoming after arguing with a leftist acquaintance about the mechanics of consumption taxes. Massive wall of text, sorry.

    I feel like a portion of educated leftists in the West are stuck in a time loop. They spend a lot of time researching history, philosophy, reading up on what past leaders have done like Mao, Stalin, etc. have done and spend a lot of their time pretty much regurgitating their ideals and basically idolizing them in real life and online.

    None of these particular people know how the levers of capital work in the modern world. They've never studied/learned about an ounce of economics. Or accounting. Or policymaking. Which is completely fine, but they treat it as something completely foreign to them and not worth their time.

    How can you possibly fight against a force that you don't even understand? What will you do when a revolution or significant change does occur? I'm not saying all leftists should be accountants, or economists, or revenue agents, or policy a***ysts, but the number of educated leftists in the West who don't utilize their privilege maximally to at least have a cursory knowledge in modern business is staggering.

    This is mostly coming from the place that the same acquaintance has chastised me constantly for going into a "business/capitalist field" as a leftist, but she does pretty much nothing in relation to praxis. She had the privilege of going to college, majored in English Literature, does nothing in terms of organizing, applicable knowledge or skills, or even just assisting the disenfranchised, but judges people within her own little book club. And has the gall to call herself a revolutionary agent.

    Anyway, that fills my "serious post in this thread" quota for the year.

    you're mostly correct but i don't think this is unique to leftists, this is literally just 90%+ of the population across the entire political and social spectrum.I mean, this is largely similar to why at the same time conservatism has largely failed as an ideology.

    read my posts in this thread arguing w/ OP from last year on more of what i mean (esp 2nd and 3rd posts and 2nd page post) - ktt2.com/conservative-thread-20-midterms-2022-32491254

  • Dec 9, 2022

    what a 180°

  • Dec 9, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    @krishna_bound

    https://twitter.com/dailycaller/status/1600658643141419008

    Zenin’s banned opposition party: