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  • Jan 26, 2024
    eye contact

    I disagree with the idea that there was some entirely arbitrary agenda to keep such conditions in place

    it wasnt arbitrary. a suppressed people dont rise up. talking about Czechs rn but Ukranians in the early 30s got the same treatment but worse.

  • Jan 26, 2024
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    Elric

    I'm not so much interested in endless political theory debates as I am what these guys actually did

    Then you're reducing yourself to complete ignorance. Because what you will come to know if you study history enough is that the realities of history are not a shared truth

  • Jan 26, 2024
    Elric

    Ok well the Brits had really good spies and so knew exactly what would happen to them and their people of the communists took over. I would be probably take a Night Of the Long Knives over a Great Purge and Holodmor as well (especially not being able to predict the Holocaust)

    Typical anticommunist that finds a thousand ways to say they sympathize with Nazis over communists

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    Elric

    Ok well the Brits had really good spies and so knew exactly what would happen to them and their people of the communists took over. I would be probably take a Night Of the Long Knives over a Great Purge and Holodmor as well (especially not being able to predict the Holocaust)

    Bro would take a genocide over a political purge or a famine

    The anti communist mind

  • Jan 26, 2024
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    In regards to the great purges, I simply defer to the ethos of Albert Einstein

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    bro accused the USSR of slave labor. They pull out all the stops when their proven wrong

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    At this point you might as well blame the Holocaust on the USSR

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    Naxalite

    Then you're reducing yourself to complete ignorance. Because what you will come to know if you study history enough is that the realities of history are not a shared truth

    which is why im still talking to y'all despite all the insults

    I find political leaders often say one thing and do another so just reading theory won't be that illuminating. Like if the CC followed the Manifesto to a t then how do you explain 1937. and when you take a close look at the history of defectors, they always did it because of the "hypocrisy and corruption" they were seeing, but then realize its just as bad one the other side once they defect. for both sides.

  • Jan 26, 2024
    Elric

    interesting how many of these people volunteered and how many were shipped from a totally different region against their will? did they political prisoners and their families get paid for the work as well?

    slaves dont receive wages regardless and the amount of prisoners or dekulakized ending up and registered in whichever part of the country is hard to determine because populations were under constant move everywhere across the country due to industrialization and collectivization efforts

    prisoners would receive jobs and wages equal to other workers, at least I dont recall any information to the contrary as most prison workers would often turn out to be specialists employed at higher positions than for example peasants who arrived from the countryside

    as far as willingness there was a minority of high-skilled professionals assigned to various locations (including Magnitogorsk) 'against their will' in the same sense your employer might ask you to relocate permanently for your work purposes. another part of that minority were deportations and prison labor, though I dont have the exact figures on each particular location; most would end up in Central Asia see modern Kazakhstan with its 80% of population being Russians and not Kazakhs. the vast majority of people would arrive on their own and subsequently leave on their own which would often result in labor shortages regular throughout the period

  • Jan 26, 2024
    eye contact

    Bro would take a genocide over a political purge or a famine

    The anti communist mind

    Long Knives wasnt genocide why you ignoring where I said they couldn't have predicted the holocaust at that point

  • Jan 26, 2024
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    Elric

    which is why im still talking to y'all despite all the insults

    I find political leaders often say one thing and do another so just reading theory won't be that illuminating. Like if the CC followed the Manifesto to a t then how do you explain 1937. and when you take a close look at the history of defectors, they always did it because of the "hypocrisy and corruption" they were seeing, but then realize its just as bad one the other side once they defect. for both sides.

    If you wanted to learn about the motivations of communist leaders you could at the very least take an hour to listen to some rudimentary communist literature. You're being willfully ignorant, not just ignorant

  • Jan 26, 2024
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    eye contact

    In regards to the great purges, I simply defer to the ethos of Albert Einstein

    he wasnt there though

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    Also the CIA itself admitted stalin wasn't a dictator

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    Naxalite

    If you wanted to learn about the motivations of communist leaders you could at the very least take an hour to listen to some rudimentary communist literature. You're being willfully ignorant, not just ignorant

    ok give me some communist literature then

    and ive already been talking about Lakoba and his motivations so

    I already told y'all ive seen every fkn soviet film of the 20s and 30s because im interested. not sure how thats enough to educate the masses of the ussr but not me.

  • Jan 26, 2024
    Naxalite

    Also the CIA itself admitted stalin wasn't a dictator

    yeah the rest of the CC and politburo was as bloodthirsty as he was its true. maybe they were just trying to impress him by doubling their arrest/execution quotas though.

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    Elric

    ok give me some communist literature then

    and ive already been talking about Lakoba and his motivations so

    I already told y'all ive seen every fkn soviet film of the 20s and 30s because im interested. not sure how thats enough to educate the masses of the ussr but not me.

    This is a good starting point because the literature will probably have a lot of buzzwords you're not familiar with. It's stalin explaining Marxism Leninism

  • Jan 26, 2024
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    Naxalite

    This is a good starting point because the literature will probably have a lot of buzzwords you're not familiar with. It's stalin explaining Marxism Leninism

    !https://youtu.be/xSb5OH9b2lE?si=-5ItAmHGN_o7nNBc

    im familiar with the buzzwords dont tell me to read literature then give me a fkn YouTube video

  • Jan 26, 2024
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    Elric

    he wasnt there though

    Neither were you

  • Jan 26, 2024
    Elric

    im familiar with the buzzwords dont tell me to read literature then give me a fkn YouTube video

    Then read the interview

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    It’s a f***ing audiobook lol

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    eye contact

    Neither were you

    my data is more accurate than what he was getting in America in the 30s

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    eye contact

    It’s a f***ing audiobook lol

    never listened to an audiobook in my life because I like to actually read

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    Elric

    my data is more accurate than what he was getting in America in the 30s

    Entirely disagree

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    To be present in the times and along the active dynamics of the matter is far more informative than the retrospect imo

  • Jan 26, 2024
    Elric

    never listened to an audiobook in my life because I like to actually read

    Google it for Marxist.org