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  • Jun 20, 2024
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    obviously "stalinism" is more like a slur than something real but every maoist owns the label rather than rejects it. we are the only true "stalinists" that exist.

  • Jun 20, 2024
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    snowboyrari

    obviously "stalinism" is more like a slur than something real but every maoist owns the label rather than rejects it. we are the only true "stalinists" that exist.

    is this albanian erasure?

  • Jun 20, 2024
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    snowboyrari

    obviously "stalinism" is more like a slur than something real but every maoist owns the label rather than rejects it. we are the only true "stalinists" that exist.

    I was saying that because I'm a maoist I follow Mao's writings and actions. Not stalins. That should be obvious

  • Jun 20, 2024
    Choking

    is this albanian erasure?

    nah he was the homie but "hoxhaism" doesnt really exist anymore except in albania so

  • Jun 20, 2024
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    PFLP optimisticman

    I was saying that because I'm a maoist I follow Mao's writings and actions. Not stalins. That should be obvious

    mao is stalin. stalin is mao. maoism is a movement against comintern revisionism, its not literally "the teachings of mao". obviously mao is important to maoism but the point is that everything mao said or did was already contained within marx, engels, lenin, and stalin. he simply built upon their anti-revisionist legacy and made it better.

  • Jun 20, 2024
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    snowboyrari

    mao is stalin. stalin is mao. maoism is a movement against comintern revisionism, its not literally "the teachings of mao". obviously mao is important to maoism but the point is that everything mao said or did was already contained within marx, engels, lenin, and stalin. he simply built upon their anti-revisionist legacy and made it better.

    No bro. If you call yourself a maoist I don't agree with your definition of maoism

  • Jun 20, 2024
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    PFLP optimisticman

    No bro. If you call yourself a maoist I don't agree with your definition of maoism

    this is what marxism-leninism-maoism is. you simply aren't one, sorry.

    either youre some slimy frenchman who escaped in a time machine from 1966 or youre a trotskyist.

  • Jun 20, 2024
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    snowboyrari

    this is what marxism-leninism-maoism is. you simply aren't one, sorry.

    either youre some slimy frenchman who escaped in a time machine from 1966 or youre a trotskyist.

    Because I believe Stalin did something wrong I'm not a maoist? Ok that's your opinion

  • Jun 20, 2024
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    PFLP optimisticman

    Because I believe Stalin did something wrong I'm not a maoist? Ok that's your opinion

    oh now we're moving the goalposts are we

  • Jun 20, 2024
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    snowboyrari

    oh now we're moving the goalposts are we

    Explain to me how I'm moving goalposts. Our argument was whether Stalins invasion of Iran was wrong

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    PFLP optimisticman

    Explain to me how I'm moving goalposts. Our argument was whether Stalins invasion of Iran was wrong

    it wasnt "wrong" for reasons already explained to you

    unless you truly believe Iranian oil shouldve been used in a machine to slaughter jews and communists by the millions

  • Jun 20, 2024
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    PFLP optimisticman

    Nope. Try again

    I’m an actual Maoist and he is correct lol. It’s fine if you’re still learning but you should educate yourself more before being so loud and wrong

    I also have to question what “party” you belong to, as I don’t know of any parties in the imperial core (which I assume you’re from) that any Maoist would condone let alone join.

  • Jun 20, 2024
    PFLP optimisticman

    I'd upgrade to leninist before I try to jump to maoism imo

    what

  • Jun 21, 2024
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    PFLP optimisticman

    All this just so you guys don't have to admit Stalin did something wrong. You're not Marxists your campists

    who said he never did something wrong tho?

  • Jun 21, 2024
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    emo genghis khan

    who said he never did something wrong tho?

    some of the thread acknowledges the purges were bad and some defend them

  • Jun 21, 2024
    Elric

    some of the thread acknowledges the purges were bad and some defend them

    nobody thinks the purges were bad and if they do they either lack the proper a***ysis or information. the purges have to viewed through the lens of the great proletarian cultural revolution to be correctly a***yzed.

  • Elric

    some of the thread acknowledges the purges were bad and some defend them

    Purges are needed in any party

  • Jun 21, 2024
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    Elric

    some of the thread acknowledges the purges were bad and some defend them

    spend 10 seconds on any social media and you'll understand why stalin had a divine right to the purges

  • Jun 21, 2024
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    Choking

    there’s some sick humour in watching a soviet bureaucrat try his best to prevent ww2 but has to worry about his paranoid leaders shooting him like some of his comrades

    This post for instance seems to acknowledge how ridiculous it is that even his most crucial diplomats weren't above Stalin's paranoia

    He threw Molotovs dang wife into the gulag his chief negotiator that he trusted with the Soviet Unions most crucial international relations

  • Jun 21, 2024
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    Elric

    This post for instance seems to acknowledge how ridiculous it is that even his most crucial diplomats weren't above Stalin's paranoia

    He threw Molotovs dang wife into the gulag his chief negotiator that he trusted with the Soviet Unions most crucial international relations

    stalin wasnt paranoid and the purges were more like a large scale social movement that incorporated the masses, a la the gpcr. its almost certain that the success of the purges in neutralizing the rightist fifth column resulted in the military victory of the red army in wwii. why this or that specific individual was purged is both unknowable and unimportant.

    the only legitimate critique of the purges is a retroactive one, which is that the CPSU had an underdeveloped understanding of revisionism compared to the maoist era CPC and therefore the purges didn't actually go far enough in rooting out capitalist roaders.

  • Jun 21, 2024
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    snowboyrari

    stalin wasnt paranoid and the purges were more like a large scale social movement that incorporated the masses, a la the gpcr. its almost certain that the success of the purges in neutralizing the rightist fifth column resulted in the military victory of the red army in wwii. why this or that specific individual was purged is both unknowable and unimportant.

    the only legitimate critique of the purges is a retroactive one, which is that the CPSU had an underdeveloped understanding of revisionism compared to the maoist era CPC and therefore the purges didn't actually go far enough in rooting out capitalist roaders.

    And Polina was what? One of the most dedicated Bolsheviks who's main concern was Stalin's well-being even after getting s***canned

    The fact that y'all support mass executions but are surprised not enough people want to join a party that may or may not eventually decree then to be an enemy is weird

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    Elric

    And Polina was what? One of the most dedicated Bolsheviks who's main concern was Stalin's well-being even after getting s***canned

    The fact that y'all support mass executions but are surprised not enough people want to join a party that may or may not eventually decree then to be an enemy is weird

    this doesnt make sense because the purges were extremely popular in the USSR and had the support of the masses who rallied around Stalin and the left-wing of the cpsu. the GPCR was even more popular and went deeper in rooting out bourgeois culture. and not only was it popular domestically but it inspired maoists around the world to adhere to cultural revolution as a program. we're talking millions of people. it even inspired a copycat event in Albania with the Albanian communists claiming they could do it better.

    normal people dont actually care about anticommunist propaganda about "mass executions" I can assure you, it is only the domain of internet debate bros.