All I'm saying is that we as the left assume that the American working class can be revolutionary and are just waiting on a strong organization to guide them. Well in my experience with the American people, as well as my knowledge of settler colonialist societies. I highly doubt that

I never implied he was. I responded based on the argument he stated earlier in the thread

The Russian revolution didn't happen cause of the independent will or glory of the bolsheviks. It happened because even prior to the bolsheviks being formed revolutionary consciousness was necessary in russia

the proletariat in every scenario has always been a revolutionary minority. the issue here is that youre taking "the USA" as the given subject rather than realizing that the revolutionary struggle on Turtle Island will transcend the fake colonial borders.

What about Israel? Do they have a revolutionary proletariat? And if so why not?

they are all settlers, their "revolution" is exterminating the natives

of course not. thats my point. you can't take "the USA" or "Israel" as your given subject to find the proletariat.

obviously their is a proletariat in both Aztlan and the Fertile Crescent but it ain't the settler garrison who upholds these phony nationalisms.

Right exactly. America is a settler colonialist society the exact same as isreal. Only difference is more time has passed. The settler colomialist mentality still exists. Which is why the version of being patriotic for Americans is not a shared identity but a feeling of power over the colonized world

Revolutions have historically never happened in settler colonialist societies. They happen in colonized places after a revolutionary war

American identity is built on maintaining the oppression of the working class

this just straight up isn't true, like at all. Algeria, Zimbabwe, German West Africa, Manchukuo, Haiti, and British Kenya all experienced anti-settler revolutions which changed the relationship between the land and the colonized. Palestine is experiencing one right now. Taiwan will experience one in the future as will the USA.

??? Im confused. I said settler colonialist societies. Nations that were built on genocide and predominantly inhabited by those genociders or people carrying on the same Nationial identity. The only places that apply that I can think of are USA and isreal

the usa and israel aren’t the only settler colonialist societies

respectfully you need to read more history guy

these were "societies" and at its peak their were more white frenchmen in algeria than arabs or berbers

at its peak their were more white frenchmen in algeria than arabs or berbers

source? cant find anything suggesting pied noirs were ever even close to a majority in the whole region

do you think slaves were settlers?

Settler colony mentality? I sure wish my wife would “settle her” own mentality first!

i wish my wife’s colon would settle down after supper

Ok give me more examples

Wht’s the best edition of Das Capital to read? I feel like if they’re selling it at Barnes and Noble its probably watered down

snowboy already did

“Algeria, Zimbabwe, German West Africa, Manchukuo, Haiti, and British Kenya”

no you are right actually, my bad. I was under the impression that Algeria had a much smaller total population.

people also forget Taiwan. despite some bourgeois land reform that was carried out still remains a Han settler colony where the Hoklo majority benefit from the Hakka and aboriginal underclasses.

Maybe I wasn't being specific with what I was referencing with settler colonial societies. I would define those as places that were certainly colonized. But did not form a settler colonial identity that the country is now based on