space0cadet

5y

socialism/communism is mostly about sharing in the sense of workplace dynamics.

"individualism" is a boss, who sits on their ass, takes 1/2 of the workers profit while the workers do all of the work

"sharing" is workers receiving all of the profit.

"individualism" is a boss who direct their workers in an authoritarian fashion.

"sharing" is forming workers collectives to democratically decide what to do.

socialism/communism isn't about taking away what your family has earned. nonsense. it is a workers ideology. it is FOR THE PEOPLE. why would they take away your hard earned s***?

in the large sense this comes from the concept of land reform which is so prevalent in third world revolutions across the world -- emiliano zapata, mao zedong, etc.

the privately owned large estates which are barely even utilized (around 5% is used) across south america especially keeps the masses in poverty -- because obviously they can't grow their own food on it, because its privately owned, among other reasons.

to give a liberalized example, land reform happened in the united states; FDR.

yeah. land reform takes away peoples s***, but that's when they deserve it, because it is subjecting people to poverty.

there is a lot to learn; a lot of patterns to see in developing as a marxist. we always go back to history. again, if you want to actually learn, read some marxist history books to understand why we believe these tenets will fix the problems of capitalism.

CLB Fractions

5y

""individualism" is a boss, who sits on their ass, takes 1/2 of the workers profit while the workers do all of the work"

the worker needs the boss's resources in order to do the work. if i am paying for everything that is mental labor and physical work which should also be compensated for which is why the boss brings home a higher wage.

CLB Fractions

5y

""individualism" is a boss, who sits on their ass, takes 1/2 of the workers profit while the workers do all of the work"

the worker needs the boss's resources in order to do the work. if i am paying for everything that is mental labor and physical work which should also be compensated for which is why the boss brings home a higher wage.

space0cadet

5y

Anyone read anything from FLP?
foreignlanguages.press/

I just finished ARAK.

Also anyone on goodreads?

Im starting to read Settlers by J Sakai

sosAMG

5y

Real short form response but I understand about 99% of what you said. Also despite what criticisms people have, I’m a fan of Russia (biased because of Call Of Duty world at war lool) but beyond jokes, communism seems to kind of work over there from what I see.
I’m not sure if they’ve progressed their homosexual laws yet and things like that I know in 2013ish there was a Russian video of someone gay being attacked and everything is kosher
But these people have modern cars etc etc. Russian PEOPLE are just different different.
But overall I get how communism can almost work, as well as socialism.
So from my knowledge so far I don’t believe either is “evil” I’m still stuck on how hard it would be to switch over. Americans don’t want change and even if they all did the sudden switch would be too much

Also you’re another poster I appreciate if I get my final perma today even with minimal interaction

space0cadet

5y

wonder why society is set up so the worker needs the bosses resources

space0cadet

5y

Anyone read anything from FLP?
foreignlanguages.press/

I just finished ARAK.

Also anyone on goodreads?

Im starting to read Settlers by J Sakai

CLB Fractions

5y

employer took more of risk. should the worker profit from the boss's labor?

americana

5y

labor of the workers is what gives that risk and even currency any value in the first place. if you were a billionaire and every laborer refused to work for you, what value does that give your money?

and, in the world we live in, high level investors like
billionaires and higher millionaires are given so many cushy kickbacks and low tax rates that the “risk factor” that capitalists love to argue for is essentially negated

CurlyZ

5y

Mfs in America be worried about losing their freedom under Socialism, but work 80 hours a week and drive Uber on the side just to afford their basic needs for survival and ended up dying on the Amazon warehouse floor at 97 years old trying get a Poop Emoji pop socket into a shipping box in under 12 seconds after cutting their retirement short when their $50 in social security benefits ran out.

We living like this while European socialists over there vibing with a 4 day work week and buying homes with their silly little living wages.

CurlyZ

5y

Mfs in America be worried about losing their freedom under Socialism, but work 80 hours a week and drive Uber on the side just to afford their basic needs for survival and ended up dying on the Amazon warehouse floor at 97 years old trying get a Poop Emoji pop socket into a shipping box in under 12 seconds after cutting their retirement short when their $50 in social security benefits ran out.

We living like this while European socialists over there vibing with a 4 day work week and buying homes with their silly little living wages.

CLB Fractions

5y

you dont have to work 80 hours a week if you dont want. the average work week for usa is 34.4 hours

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/what-is-the-average-hours-per-week-worked-in-the-us-2060631

only people with nothing to lose want socialism

CLB Fractions

5y

you dont have to work 80 hours a week if you dont want. the average work week for usa is 34.4 hours

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/what-is-the-average-hours-per-week-worked-in-the-us-2060631

only people with nothing to lose want socialism

CurlyZ

5y

Hey big fella, I promise you no one in the United States is working 80 hours a week because they want to.

America is so pathetic that there are plenty of people who literally can’t afford to just work full-time. We have a system that disproportionately puts power in the hands of capital holders and gives them the green light to f*** over workers in every way imaginable.

CLB Fractions

5y

go start a co op. be the change you want to see.

deadacc

5y

i really don't understand how u can spend so much time looking these concepts in the eye and be so aggressively against them.

deadacc

5y

i really don't understand how u can spend so much time looking these concepts in the eye and be so aggressively against them.

americana

5y

having a co-op doesn’t change the fundamental issues that plague our country in every facet of life

the system must be transformed

CLB Fractions

5y

i understand that. but one person cant change the system. but starting a co op is one of the best ways imo