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  • Jul 22, 2021
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    Mango

    I've only really read David Harvey on the subject, but I think he makes a strong case for "neoliberalization with Chinese characteristics". They opened markets, priviatized industry, and class power is returning. They are the world's biggest manufacturer and exporter. Neoliberalism being hegemonic and absent from China seems nonsensical on its face.

    Have you read his books what can u recommend

  • Jul 22, 2021
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    space0cadet

    Have you read his books what can u recommend

    A Brief History of Neoliberalism. His lectures on Capital are great, but it's a long series.

  • Jul 22, 2021
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    Mango

    I've only really read David Harvey on the subject, but I think he makes a strong case for "neoliberalization with Chinese characteristics". They opened markets, priviatized industry, and class power is returning. They are the world's biggest manufacturer and exporter. Neoliberalism being hegemonic and absent from China seems nonsensical on its face.

    tbh i don't disagree w this assessment relative to the 2005 date of publication but throughout the course of xi's presidency he has severely cracked down on bourgeois elements, workers' exploitation and strengthened the dictatorship of the proletariat to the point that i would not be able to agree anymore w the idea that China is a neoliberal state.

    tbf i only read a bit of what i could look up so if you could summarize his ideas that would be appreciated too.

  • Jul 22, 2021
    deadacc

    tbh i don't disagree w this assessment relative to the 2005 date of publication but throughout the course of xi's presidency he has severely cracked down on bourgeois elements, workers' exploitation and strengthened the dictatorship of the proletariat to the point that i would not be able to agree anymore w the idea that China is a neoliberal state.

    tbf i only read a bit of what i could look up so if you could summarize his ideas that would be appreciated too.

    The book is really just him laying out the criteria of neoliberalization (privatization, state serving the market, project to restore class power, etc) and then examining how it came about it in the US, Sweden, China, etc. So it's not really his ideas so much as his documenting of how China opened its markets, was flooded by capital from a west in crisis, private business expanded, etc. Here is the chapter if you are interested.

    I don't understand how anybody could say that the engine driving neoliberal capital hegemony isn't part of neoliberal capital hegemony. You can have different sects in the same religion. Now how China manages this economic reality domestically is distinct and should be evaluated on its own terms. They seem more willing to prioritize a national project above the interests of the corporation. They aren't policing empire like the US. They aren't relying on labor exploitation abroad. Those are laudable qualities.

    Are those qualities safe from an insurgent capital class? Will they degrade from the neoliberal solvent? Have they?

  • Jul 22, 2021
    Mango

    A Brief History of Neoliberalism. His lectures on Capital are great, but it's a long series.

    Ah didn't know he made that book
    Thx it's on my to read list

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  • Jul 22, 2021
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    space0cadet

    this is the socialism thread not social liberal

  • Jul 22, 2021
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    Mango

    I've only really read David Harvey on the subject, but I think he makes a strong case for "neoliberalization with Chinese characteristics". They opened markets, priviatized industry, and class power is returning. They are the world's biggest manufacturer and exporter. Neoliberalism being hegemonic and absent from China seems nonsensical on its face.

    true i thought of neoliberal having to have a liberal democracy with it which isn't wholly right. Due to China investment in its sectors made me equate it more with the East Asian model, then again my knowledge on that might be inadequate since its based of a wikipedia and a brief mention of the model in a Zizek lecture lol. Also yea thanks again for the link of that chapter in that other thread, been wanting to read more modern leftist literature but I wanna finish the classics first.

  • Jul 22, 2021
    Womanpuncher69

    this is the socialism thread not social liberal

    he's so f***ed
    remember when he dabbed and said the korean war was good or some s***

  • Jul 22, 2021

    that one kim jong un idiot unironically watched vaush

  • Jul 22, 2021
    Womanpuncher69

    true i thought of neoliberal having to have a liberal democracy with it which isn't wholly right. Due to China investment in its sectors made me equate it more with the East Asian model, then again my knowledge on that might be inadequate since its based of a wikipedia and a brief mention of the model in a Zizek lecture lol. Also yea thanks again for the link of that chapter in that other thread, been wanting to read more modern leftist literature but I wanna finish the classics first.

    The US has used undemocratic means to install neoliberalism abroad from to Chile to Iraq. A lack of democracy has always just been a convenient pretense more than a roadblock to neoliberalism.

  • Jul 22, 2021
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    B**** im back out my coma

  • Jul 22, 2021
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    ARCADE GOON

    B**** im back out my coma

    ARCADE GOON-SAMA

  • Jul 22, 2021
    space0cadet

    ARCADE GOON-SAMA

    real recognize real

  • Jul 22, 2021
    Womanpuncher69

    this is the socialism thread not social liberal

  • Jul 22, 2021
    ARCADE GOON

    B**** im back out my coma

  • Jul 22, 2021
    space0cadet

    maybe he could model for a fertilizer company because he’s full of s***

  • Jul 22, 2021
    ARCADE GOON

    B**** im back out my coma

    bird sound

  • Jul 22, 2021
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    Neo-Colionialism by Nkrumah is a difficult read because its very very heavy on information such as profits, which companies are aligned with which, where they are doing business, who is who in the industries etc., but all necessary to lay out the case against neo-colionlism and then the parts where the writing is more theoretical are all very good

  • Jul 22, 2021
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  • Jul 23, 2021
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    Synopsis

    Neo-Colionialism by Nkrumah is a difficult read because its very very heavy on information such as profits, which companies are aligned with which, where they are doing business, who is who in the industries etc., but all necessary to lay out the case against neo-colionlism and then the parts where the writing is more theoretical are all very good

    what companies for example

    just curious what he was writing about

    that’d be interesting

  • Jul 23, 2021

    i’ll keep it real it seems like PSL has a lot of organizing/rally events recently and in the near future

  • Jul 23, 2021
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    spongebob

    what companies for example

    just curious what he was writing about

    that’d be interesting

    Rubber companies and mining companies

  • Jul 23, 2021
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    Synopsis

    Rubber companies and mining companies

    like firestone n s***

    i know they were one of the main rubber/tire companies involved in colonial bullshit