Anarchists living rent free in yalls heads
Anarchists are the reason leftism hasn’t achieved its fundamental goals.
If Liberals, capitalists, fascists, and the rest of the right wing cabal have realized this and have specifically taken advantage of sectarianist issues created by anarchists through funding and unconscious validation then it’s evident that their existence is a hindrance to the forward movement of leftist/labor goals
Saying things like “rent free” is funny because this is politics sxn not music sxn. Factors must be accounted for
Anarchists living rent free in yalls heads
id appreciate it they come down once in a while and help out
Anarchists are the reason leftism hasn’t achieved its fundamental goals.
If Liberals, capitalists, fascists, and the rest of the right wing cabal have realized this and have specifically taken advantage of sectarianist issues created by anarchists through funding and unconscious validation then it’s evident that their existence is a hindrance to the forward movement of leftist/labor goals
Anarchists are the reason leftism hasn’t achieved its fundamental goals
This is a wild sentence to me
Anarchists are the reason leftism hasn’t achieved its fundamental goals.
If Liberals, capitalists, fascists, and the rest of the right wing cabal have realized this and have specifically taken advantage of sectarianist issues created by anarchists through funding and unconscious validation then it’s evident that their existence is a hindrance to the forward movement of leftist/labor goals
I'm not sure if I'd say that, that's a bit of an exaggeration. There are young kids or idiots on twitter or middle class LARPers in Portland or something who skew in that direction but its not like they have any material difference vs actual movements inherently. Like if every kid on twitter suddenly became a ML or Maoist or something overnight its not like theyre gonna start a revolution and topple the US government or something like that.
Socially it's way more true that what ""killed"" Leftism as a type of more political apparatus in the west per-se was the re-focus from economics and political frameworks into bs psychotherapy and questionably valid cultural a***ysis from the 60s.
the fact you end up with mainstream "marxists" like Zizek or something instead of political actors like idk even a Gonzalo (just using an example because he started as a professor - not that im a gonzalo thought person lol) is somewhat proof of that. The US/CIA involvement in funding post-modernism and stuff is definitely true but its only to some extent, its not a be all end all, and anyway it mostly falls with people like Foucault who had influence but didnt necessarily identify as Leftists anyway.
People like Lacan and Marcuse are way more of better examples of peoples whose philosophies were not only extremely influential but also incredibly detrimental to political conceptualizations.
Marcuse for example said himself that he basically hated the working class and didnt think they were capable of any form of revolution and thought rallying college kids under arbitrary social causes was a better starting place for a revolution. You can kinda see how that abstraction became literal decades later.
I don't think all of post-modern thought is complete bs by any means, some of its quite interesting, but its inception definitely lead to the flanderization and the commodification of "leftism" as an identity or commodity rather than a real political movement.
When it comes to "pop-anarchists" as is probably a good word for them, while they definitely damage/taint the "image" per-se, it's not like there's an organized left in most of the west (US specifically) for them to tank, and even if there was, the pre-existing biases against the Left stemming all the way back towards anti-Left attitudes in the US would probably fill that gap anyway. Not every anarchist falls under the "pop-anarchist" label, and i'd probably bet a good chunk of them don't and are just the equivalent of neutral political actors, which isn't really much of a differentiator besides at worst causing more arguments online.
I think in terms of "poisoning the well", the only thing I'd maybe agree with is there's a very specific strain of anarchism which for sure really harmed the kind of ancestry of leftism philosophy, but philosophy is (more than not) detached from political action anyway in modern times
Of course, that all said, all of this isn't in a vacuum, and is of course paired next to actual geopolitical factors, like US involvement and intervention abroad, the liberalization of china, fall of the USSR, etc.
id appreciate it they come down once in a while and help out
Let them stay in their thread pls
I'm not sure if I'd say that, that's a bit of an exaggeration. There are young kids or idiots on twitter or middle class LARPers in Portland or something who skew in that direction but its not like they have any material difference vs actual movements inherently. Like if every kid on twitter suddenly became a ML or Maoist or something overnight its not like theyre gonna start a revolution and topple the US government or something like that.
Socially it's way more true that what ""killed"" Leftism as a type of more political apparatus in the west per-se was the re-focus from economics and political frameworks into bs psychotherapy and questionably valid cultural a***ysis from the 60s.
the fact you end up with mainstream "marxists" like Zizek or something instead of political actors like idk even a Gonzalo (just using an example because he started as a professor - not that im a gonzalo thought person lol) is somewhat proof of that. The US/CIA involvement in funding post-modernism and stuff is definitely true but its only to some extent, its not a be all end all, and anyway it mostly falls with people like Foucault who had influence but didnt necessarily identify as Leftists anyway.
People like Lacan and Marcuse are way more of better examples of peoples whose philosophies were not only extremely influential but also incredibly detrimental to political conceptualizations.
Marcuse for example said himself that he basically hated the working class and didnt think they were capable of any form of revolution and thought rallying college kids under arbitrary social causes was a better starting place for a revolution. You can kinda see how that abstraction became literal decades later.
I don't think all of post-modern thought is complete bs by any means, some of its quite interesting, but its inception definitely lead to the flanderization and the commodification of "leftism" as an identity or commodity rather than a real political movement.
When it comes to "pop-anarchists" as is probably a good word for them, while they definitely damage/taint the "image" per-se, it's not like there's an organized left in most of the west (US specifically) for them to tank, and even if there was, the pre-existing biases against the Left stemming all the way back towards anti-Left attitudes in the US would probably fill that gap anyway. Not every anarchist falls under the "pop-anarchist" label, and i'd probably bet a good chunk of them don't and are just the equivalent of neutral political actors, which isn't really much of a differentiator besides at worst causing more arguments online.
I think in terms of "poisoning the well", the only thing I'd maybe agree with is there's a very specific strain of anarchism which for sure really harmed the kind of ancestry of leftism philosophy, but philosophy is (more than not) detached from political action anyway in modern times
Of course, that all said, all of this isn't in a vacuum, and is of course paired next to actual geopolitical factors, like US involvement and intervention abroad, the liberalization of china, fall of the USSR, etc.
I agree I think it's not the sole reason at all, nor a really large reason (tbf I don't know much history of the left in the US specifically)
I think the sole fact that the CIA and other perpetrators specifically utilize anarchism in their divide and conquer schism tells you all you need to know about the ideology. It's too malleable and that's a large flaw of the ideology itself.
You get true, honest anarchists harping CIA propaganda bc of it's malleability; with malleability comes the infantalization of economies and power -- you get anarchists saying that "utilizing power is what fascists do" or that "we're just going to make our own insulin and make our own glasses -- without hierarchy!"
I agree I think it's not the sole reason at all, nor a really large reason (tbf I don't know much history of the left in the US specifically)
I think the sole fact that the CIA and other perpetrators specifically utilize anarchism in their divide and conquer schism tells you all you need to know about the ideology. It's too malleable and that's a large flaw of the ideology itself.
You get true, honest anarchists harping CIA propaganda bc of it's malleability; with malleability comes the infantalization of economies and power -- you get anarchists saying that "utilizing power is what fascists do" or that "we're just going to make our own insulin and make our own glasses -- without hierarchy!"
While I agree that phenomena definitely occurs, I guess I'm not just convinced that collectively leftists would automatically organize and start a revolution or make significant material progress towards one if that simply didn't exist.
The most damage I think you can point to is like Breadtubers or Vaush recruiting kids into self-righteous commodified faux-leftism while simultaenously repeating intelligence talking points. With that said though, if they didn't exist, I don't think they'd just automatically be replaced with more dignified leftist equivalents or something. I still dislike those movements, but its also not representative of every type of anarchist, hence why I mentioned in my post "pop-anarchists" and lefitst imagery to the public.
I feel like the arbitrary schism is going to exist regardless because even with non-anarchists you see significant amounts of in-fighting regardless of external intervention; in-fighting which exists not only online, but literally historically in actual real political struggles
Like I said in my post though, I think there are way more distinct factors you can point to when it comes to western failures which feel a bit more materially distinctive I guess
clicked thread with positive vibes and the pic on the first page was Stalin
yuck
What is a Tankie?
If by the only socialists that have had successful socialist states then yes
its been 2 years do you still hold this extremely backwards position
tankies had to watch the ccp disappear a tennis player who accused a top official of sexual assault and responded by saying 'usa politicians do sexual assault as well' c'mon bro this can't be your actual ideology
Hey @Womanpuncher69 ,sorry for replying so late.
About the protests in Serbia,I don't really agree that they are politically driven.
Sure,some political meddling in them is non escape-able,but this is just the people being SICK of everything.
The whole Rio Tinto lithium mining thing is just the drop that made the glass overflow.
Belgrade(and the whole Serbia for that matter tbh) has constantly been one of the most polluted cities in the world.
The air during winter is genuinely unbreathable.
There is a whole background of how Vucic has been handling protesters and people who don't like him.
The past few days,the mainstream media outlets have been acting like nothing is going on,and police is going around knocking on doors and telling people not to go to the protests or they will be arrested.
Also his whole gang of hooligans goes around and beats up protestors lol,
its been 2 years do you still hold this extremely backwards position
This very correct view*
And the answer is yes
clicked thread with positive vibes and the pic on the first page was Stalin
yuck
Cool leave and dont come back
I mean Gonzalo wasn't perfect and f***ed up alot but this is such a s*** video using literally truth and reconciliation sources which were literally funded by the fascist Peruvian state. Its like me linking the black book of communism on why Stalin and Mao are monsters. Here's another source that isn't just state propaganda
journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2053168018820375
Lucimara was a huge mistake and f*** up no disagreement there.
You dont get to almost capitulating the bourgerious through being some cultist, the PCP had a mass base in the peasantry that helped them get further in protracted war that the current Maoist havent reached yet unfortunately.
I just find it funny how commies when talking about Gonzalo end up sounding like conservatives talking about communists.
I mean Gonzalo wasn't perfect and f***ed up alot but this is such a s*** video using literally truth and reconciliation sources which were literally funded by the fascist Peruvian state. Its like me linking the black book of communism on why Stalin and Mao are monsters. Here's another source that isn't just state propaganda
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2053168018820375
Lucimara was a huge mistake and f*** up no disagreement there.
You dont get to almost capitulating the bourgerious through being some cultist, the PCP had a mass base in the peasantry that helped them get further in protracted war that the current Maoist havent reached yet unfortunately.
I just find it funny how commies when talking about Gonzalo end up sounding like conservatives talking about communists.
What source uses the truth and reconciliation as a primarh source? Bc i dont see it directly linked in the citations unless it goes by a different name
What source uses the truth and reconciliation as a primarh source? Bc i dont see it directly linked in the citations unless it goes by a different name
Anexo 2: ¿Cuántos Peruanos Murieron?, Comisión de la Verdad y Reconciliación.
Capítulo 2: Los Casos Investigados por la CVR, Comisión de la Verdad y Reconciliación.
Anexo 2: ¿Cuántos Peruanos Murieron?, Comisión de la Verdad y Reconciliación.
Capítulo 2: Los Casos Investigados por la CVR, Comisión de la Verdad y Reconciliación.
Still 22 other sources used in the video
Still 22 other sources used in the video
im not gonna a***yse every 22 source to see if its legit or not, but its clear from the video he came with an implicit bias to making the PCP look bad as he can, rather than a "true" investigation to find out how they were. even doing a quick search on the last one by Gordon H McCormick it was funded by the RAND organisation which is a "The RAND Corporation is an American nonprofit global policy think tank created in 1948 by Douglas Aircraft Company to offer research and a***ysis to the United States Armed Forces."
like look at the fact how long it took him to make the Fujimori video after this rather than right away, and look at the complete lack of clickbait. Its a dishonest video built on getting as much views as possible by looking at these "cultist" leftist. Like he whole thing about the org falling apart cause Gonzalo got captured is so false, it fell apart cause of after Gonzalo got captured, their central committee who was advocating to keep going as they dont need Gonzalo to win, the fell apart cause they got captured two more times as well.