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  • Jun 11, 2022

    The changing economic landscape of Sicily shifted the Mafia's power base from rural to urban areas. The Minister of Agriculture – a communist – pushed for reforms in which peasants were to get larger shares of produce, be allowed to form cooperatives and take over badly used land, and remove the system by which leaseholders (known as "gabelloti") could rent land from landowners for their own short-term use.

    Owners of especially large estates were to be forced to sell off some of their land. The Mafia had connections to many landowners and murdered many socialist reformers. The most notorious attack was the Portella della Ginestra massacre, when 11 people were killed and 33 wounded during May Day celebrations on May 1, 1947. The bloodbath was perpetrated by bandit Salvatore Giuliano, who was possibly backed by local Mafia bosses. In the end, though, they were unable to stop the process, and many landowners chose to sell their land to mafiosi, who offered more money than the government.

    In the 1950s, a crackdown in the United States on d*** trafficking led to the imprisonment of many American mafiosi. Cuba, a major hub for d*** smuggling, was taken over by Fidel Castro and associated communists. In 1957 American mafia boss Joseph Bonanno returned to Sicily to franchise his heroin operations to the Sicilian clans. Anticipating rivalries for the lucrative American d*** market, he negotiated the establishment of a Sicilian Mafia Commission to mediate disputes.

  • kiddash3r

    free political prisoner scratchin

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    SEGA GOON

    Sicilian Mafia was revived by the USA to fight communists in Italy after WW2 Mussolini had destroyed the mafia entirely so they had to import fellas from the USA back to restart things

    im just slow and never made the connection in japan lmao

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    SEGA GOON

    why these guys gotta do Maoism like this s*** is embarrassing

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    deadacc

    im just slow and never made the connection in japan lmao

    Japan had a very strong leftist movement in the 1950s and 1960s. The USA did their best to crack down on it, of course.

    Also has a pretty cool communist party that's fairly large.

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    MyBallsAndMyWord

    why these guys gotta do Maoism like this s*** is embarrassing

    At the end of the they are still Yankees...with all the cultural baggage that comes with it.

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    SEGA GOON

    At the end of the they are still Yankees...with all the cultural baggage that comes with it.

    Very true

    Red Guards also took an increasingly weird turn when they got taken over by mostly petite bourgeois types. The old guard used to be a lot of lumpen/semi lumpen people which was reflected in the way they were moving a lot (sometimes for better, sometimes for worse, despite how hard they tried to reject their lumpeness. Look up why their old leader is locked up lol) but there was a bit of a purge a few years ago and the PB camp took over and the nonsense just increased

  • Jun 11, 2022
    deadacc

    knew about the first s*** but the yakuza being intimately connected to the far right fascists of japan is new to me

    the implications of this are wild to me

    Organized crime is usually the instrument for what the state itself won't do out in the open when it comes to labor Suppression

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    MyBallsAndMyWord

    Very true

    Red Guards also took an increasingly weird turn when they got taken over by mostly petite bourgeois types. The old guard used to be a lot of lumpen/semi lumpen people which was reflected in the way they were moving a lot (sometimes for better, sometimes for worse, despite how hard they tried to reject their lumpeness. Look up why their old leader is locked up lol) but there was a bit of a purge a few years ago and the PB camp took over and the nonsense just increased

    got any sources about the red guard coup or anything? wanna delve deeper into what was going on there lol

  • Womanpuncher69

    got any sources about the red guard coup or anything? wanna delve deeper into what was going on there lol

    I don’t, that’s all inside info from friends who are/were supporters of RG

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    the reds

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    SEGA GOON

    Japan had a very strong leftist movement in the 1950s and 1960s. The USA did their best to crack down on it, of course.

    Also has a pretty cool communist party that's fairly large.

  • Jun 11, 2022
    fun guy

    they’re just like me

  • Nessy 🦎
    Jun 11, 2022
    krishna bound

    I don't think mass shooters themselves are psy-ops but the way media covers them often is. It's a real societal issue of which is hijacked to provoke or spin-off unrelated arguments aside from the real issues that exist in the undercurrent.

    However that said, there's definitely a few shootings I'm a little about - the Steven Paddock Las Vegas Shooting to me seems complete bullshit. There's also a few weird things you have pop up in the news every few years that get immediatedly memoryholed where you have to wonder like what in the world is the CIA doing. Remember when there was a "Mass Shooting Training Compound" filled with abducted children and several dead toddlers found in New Mexico and then the feds burned the entire compound down and ordered cops to stop investigating, and then afterwards just blamed muslims? this is completely real and was even covered by MSNBC, CNN, etc. it's not a weird esoteric infowars thing

    The Islamic State (IS) tried to claim responsibility for the shooting, and stated that Paddock had converted to Islam six months prior to the terrorist attack, but United States law enforcement officials have given no evidence of a connection between Paddock and IS. IS also identified Paddock as Abu Abdul Barr al-Amriki.

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    I should do less twitter reposting here but this s*** is so funny man

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    Lein

    I should do less twitter reposting here but this s*** is so funny man

    https://twitter.com/f_freaker/status/1535661734584803328

    more and more i see these twitter repost i thank god i didn’t grow up on that site

  • Jun 12, 2022
    fun guy

    kings

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    Womanpuncher69

    more and more i see these twitter repost i thank god i didn’t grow up on that site

  • Jun 12, 2022

    Remember to tip your healthcare insurance provider tomorrow.

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    Lein

    Been reading a lot ot Ha Joon Chang, very interesting to learn about how east asia developped/industrialized and how mainstream economists not only don't give credit to the methods they used but how they then go back in time and retcon how western europe developped itself. They all needed state intervention and heavy protectionism for decades, and onlu once their industries were safe did they start talking about "free trade". But the mainstream economists ofc just ignore the first step. Now my question is why didn't Africa get to develop the way the east asians were?

    Aight I give up but after a couple hundred pages worth of academic papers I have a better picture. Key takeaways:

    • Japan's Colonial legacy gave Taiwan and Korea a better starting point for modernization compared to the British or demonic French Colonial legacy. Their pre-independence economies were more developped than anywhere else in the third world, and much more suited to development.

    • African countries were short on the educated or professionals due to European colonialism, while those people were more present in China and Korea and their breakway anti communist neighbours got a disproptionate amount of fleeing into them after their respective civil wars.

    • Massive military mobilization in both countries worked to create a disciplined and semi educated workforce. The authoritarian regimes also cracked down on labor to a degree that made it very appealing to foreign manufacturers.

    • They had very strong states, both because they largely just tweaked the existing Japanese administrative state and because they had American security guarantee. When other third world countries went through periods like South Korea's 45-50 period the government just collapsed. Their repressive power also kept wages very low.

    • They got a bunch of foreigners from other countries to develop institutions, especially in Taiwan. Even in Korea where anti-Japanese sentiment was stronger, the institutions and systems they developed like the EPB or chebols were similar to the MITI and Zaibatsu. These are helpful at driving development.

    • Outside powers had no interest in their raw materials (which Korea and Taiwan are lacking in anyways), they were more interested in that labor force. So when they started opening up the 60s, investment flooded into light industry like textiles instead of extractive s*** like minerals. Even if they wanted to, Korea had total control over where foreign investment went so they could direct it where they wanted.

    • Americans fostered and tolerated infant-industry protection by the East Asian countries for decades, and it wasn't until the 80s that they did a 180 but by that time they were all industrial powers. The compromise reached over FDI in the 60s was also very favorable to them, It could go in but they could control it. Their goods could go into the US easily but US goods had a harder time in East asian markets.

    • They received two big boosts to their economies in the form of war procurements for the US, the Korean War mostly helping Japan then the Vietnam war helping everybody.

    • Technology transfer happened and it went from America to Japan to Korea/Taiwan. That's very important for industrial development apparently. Japan also moved industries that lost their profitability to the two. So Korea/Taiwan didn't get stuck with the light industry, they moved it to Poorer asian countries while basically receiving Japanese heavy industry.

    Out of everything I've mentioned you'll find the trend that the US mostly supported the Korean/Taiwanese development projects. They put up some resistance when they saw that East Asia was becoming too powerful but it was mostly too late. In Africa its the opposite that happened pretty much.

    • Foreign investors only cared about raw materials nothing else, they had no interest in the spread out and poorly educated workforce in sub saharan africa. When investment came, and it rarely came, it was only to smooth the process of getting raw materials out the ground and on to a ship.

    • This different interest made it so that the West had 0% support for protective trade and investment policies that you need for development. When Afican countries held trade talks with the EEC they couldn't get any tariffs out of them.

    • The African states were much less stable than the Korean/Taiwanese states since they didn't have those favorable conditions. In fact any leader who pursued the kind of governance that was secured by the US in East Asia got overthrown in Africa.

    • The economic boost that happened for the Underdeveloped third world countries (70s hike in primary commodities) served to encourage the extractive economy terrible for developmentbihstead of manufacturing like the Korean/Vietnam war did.

    • Foreign aid basically subsidized the Korean government up until the 60s, nothing to that scale in Africa.

    I'm getting lazy so I'll just wrap it up rn but the economies that when the 70s crisis hit the Korean/Taiwanese government didn't suffer from crashes in primary commodity prices because they were already manufacturing. Being big exporters also meant that they had large foreign exchange and they could whether the crisis easier AND didn't get captured by a demonic world bank scheme like UNPAARD. They mostly retrained financial autonomy.

  • Jun 12, 2022

    ive been looking for Governing by Debt by Lazzarato for a while anyone know where I can get if free online or pdf?

  • Jun 12, 2022
    Lein

    Aight I give up but after a couple hundred pages worth of academic papers I have a better picture. Key takeaways:

    • Japan's Colonial legacy gave Taiwan and Korea a better starting point for modernization compared to the British or demonic French Colonial legacy. Their pre-independence economies were more developped than anywhere else in the third world, and much more suited to development.

    • African countries were short on the educated or professionals due to European colonialism, while those people were more present in China and Korea and their breakway anti communist neighbours got a disproptionate amount of fleeing into them after their respective civil wars.

    • Massive military mobilization in both countries worked to create a disciplined and semi educated workforce. The authoritarian regimes also cracked down on labor to a degree that made it very appealing to foreign manufacturers.

    • They had very strong states, both because they largely just tweaked the existing Japanese administrative state and because they had American security guarantee. When other third world countries went through periods like South Korea's 45-50 period the government just collapsed. Their repressive power also kept wages very low.

    • They got a bunch of foreigners from other countries to develop institutions, especially in Taiwan. Even in Korea where anti-Japanese sentiment was stronger, the institutions and systems they developed like the EPB or chebols were similar to the MITI and Zaibatsu. These are helpful at driving development.

    • Outside powers had no interest in their raw materials (which Korea and Taiwan are lacking in anyways), they were more interested in that labor force. So when they started opening up the 60s, investment flooded into light industry like textiles instead of extractive s*** like minerals. Even if they wanted to, Korea had total control over where foreign investment went so they could direct it where they wanted.

    • Americans fostered and tolerated infant-industry protection by the East Asian countries for decades, and it wasn't until the 80s that they did a 180 but by that time they were all industrial powers. The compromise reached over FDI in the 60s was also very favorable to them, It could go in but they could control it. Their goods could go into the US easily but US goods had a harder time in East asian markets.

    • They received two big boosts to their economies in the form of war procurements for the US, the Korean War mostly helping Japan then the Vietnam war helping everybody.

    • Technology transfer happened and it went from America to Japan to Korea/Taiwan. That's very important for industrial development apparently. Japan also moved industries that lost their profitability to the two. So Korea/Taiwan didn't get stuck with the light industry, they moved it to Poorer asian countries while basically receiving Japanese heavy industry.

    Out of everything I've mentioned you'll find the trend that the US mostly supported the Korean/Taiwanese development projects. They put up some resistance when they saw that East Asia was becoming too powerful but it was mostly too late. In Africa its the opposite that happened pretty much.

    • Foreign investors only cared about raw materials nothing else, they had no interest in the spread out and poorly educated workforce in sub saharan africa. When investment came, and it rarely came, it was only to smooth the process of getting raw materials out the ground and on to a ship.

    • This different interest made it so that the West had 0% support for protective trade and investment policies that you need for development. When Afican countries held trade talks with the EEC they couldn't get any tariffs out of them.

    • The African states were much less stable than the Korean/Taiwanese states since they didn't have those favorable conditions. In fact any leader who pursued the kind of governance that was secured by the US in East Asia got overthrown in Africa.

    • The economic boost that happened for the Underdeveloped third world countries (70s hike in primary commodities) served to encourage the extractive economy terrible for developmentbihstead of manufacturing like the Korean/Vietnam war did.

    • Foreign aid basically subsidized the Korean government up until the 60s, nothing to that scale in Africa.

    I'm getting lazy so I'll just wrap it up rn but the economies that when the 70s crisis hit the Korean/Taiwanese government didn't suffer from crashes in primary commodity prices because they were already manufacturing. Being big exporters also meant that they had large foreign exchange and they could whether the crisis easier AND didn't get captured by a demonic world bank scheme like UNPAARD. They mostly retrained financial autonomy.

    Just kidding this a high quality post

  • Jun 12, 2022
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    Lein

    Aight I give up but after a couple hundred pages worth of academic papers I have a better picture. Key takeaways:

    • Japan's Colonial legacy gave Taiwan and Korea a better starting point for modernization compared to the British or demonic French Colonial legacy. Their pre-independence economies were more developped than anywhere else in the third world, and much more suited to development.

    • African countries were short on the educated or professionals due to European colonialism, while those people were more present in China and Korea and their breakway anti communist neighbours got a disproptionate amount of fleeing into them after their respective civil wars.

    • Massive military mobilization in both countries worked to create a disciplined and semi educated workforce. The authoritarian regimes also cracked down on labor to a degree that made it very appealing to foreign manufacturers.

    • They had very strong states, both because they largely just tweaked the existing Japanese administrative state and because they had American security guarantee. When other third world countries went through periods like South Korea's 45-50 period the government just collapsed. Their repressive power also kept wages very low.

    • They got a bunch of foreigners from other countries to develop institutions, especially in Taiwan. Even in Korea where anti-Japanese sentiment was stronger, the institutions and systems they developed like the EPB or chebols were similar to the MITI and Zaibatsu. These are helpful at driving development.

    • Outside powers had no interest in their raw materials (which Korea and Taiwan are lacking in anyways), they were more interested in that labor force. So when they started opening up the 60s, investment flooded into light industry like textiles instead of extractive s*** like minerals. Even if they wanted to, Korea had total control over where foreign investment went so they could direct it where they wanted.

    • Americans fostered and tolerated infant-industry protection by the East Asian countries for decades, and it wasn't until the 80s that they did a 180 but by that time they were all industrial powers. The compromise reached over FDI in the 60s was also very favorable to them, It could go in but they could control it. Their goods could go into the US easily but US goods had a harder time in East asian markets.

    • They received two big boosts to their economies in the form of war procurements for the US, the Korean War mostly helping Japan then the Vietnam war helping everybody.

    • Technology transfer happened and it went from America to Japan to Korea/Taiwan. That's very important for industrial development apparently. Japan also moved industries that lost their profitability to the two. So Korea/Taiwan didn't get stuck with the light industry, they moved it to Poorer asian countries while basically receiving Japanese heavy industry.

    Out of everything I've mentioned you'll find the trend that the US mostly supported the Korean/Taiwanese development projects. They put up some resistance when they saw that East Asia was becoming too powerful but it was mostly too late. In Africa its the opposite that happened pretty much.

    • Foreign investors only cared about raw materials nothing else, they had no interest in the spread out and poorly educated workforce in sub saharan africa. When investment came, and it rarely came, it was only to smooth the process of getting raw materials out the ground and on to a ship.

    • This different interest made it so that the West had 0% support for protective trade and investment policies that you need for development. When Afican countries held trade talks with the EEC they couldn't get any tariffs out of them.

    • The African states were much less stable than the Korean/Taiwanese states since they didn't have those favorable conditions. In fact any leader who pursued the kind of governance that was secured by the US in East Asia got overthrown in Africa.

    • The economic boost that happened for the Underdeveloped third world countries (70s hike in primary commodities) served to encourage the extractive economy terrible for developmentbihstead of manufacturing like the Korean/Vietnam war did.

    • Foreign aid basically subsidized the Korean government up until the 60s, nothing to that scale in Africa.

    I'm getting lazy so I'll just wrap it up rn but the economies that when the 70s crisis hit the Korean/Taiwanese government didn't suffer from crashes in primary commodity prices because they were already manufacturing. Being big exporters also meant that they had large foreign exchange and they could whether the crisis easier AND didn't get captured by a demonic world bank scheme like UNPAARD. They mostly retrained financial autonomy.

    good ass post glad you followed up on it

    seems like our initial impulses were right in the thread but its definitely useful to have the minutiae explained too