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  • Jun 23, 2020
    Synopsis

    His whole point about the hills owner being a trump guy and using the rising as a way to open up left leaning populists to trump style right wingers got me seeing Krystal as a grifter tbh

    Never watched much of Krystal besides like a handful of segments here and there, but it wouldn't surprise me from what I do know.

  • Jun 24, 2020
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    Anyone got good introductory books on socialism?

  • Jun 24, 2020
    Scratchin Mamba

    "Here’s a scenario: A socialist meets a fascist in a bar.

    FASCIST:
    The liberals are destroying this country!

    SOCIALIST:
    I know!

    FASCIST:
    They’re so weak. And elitist. They don’t care about the workers.

    SOCIALIST:
    Oh, it’s so true.

    FASCIST:
    And of course the media is complicit. They never tell the truth.

    SOCIALIST:
    Never!

    FASCIST:
    Meanwhile, illegal immigrants are taking our jobs and destroying the ethnic majority.

    SOCIALIST:
    Wait, what the f***?

    Ball says Rising tends to focus on the areas the populist Left and Right agree on. The book is similar: A lot of it is targeted at corporate Democrats, “identity politics,” and the media. Ball and Enjeti’s unified “populism” is what happens if you try to forget the nasty bits of the Right and just focus on a shared disdain for liberals. And it’s possible to say that the socialist and the fascist at the bar “have a lot in common,” since they agreed until they disagreed. Ball says this about me: She notes that I admitted I agreed with 80 percent of what Saagar says in the book. But this is only because a conscious effort is being made not to talk about immigration, climate change, racism, d**** (Enjeti wants the government to crack down on pot users), etc. This isn’t window-dressing, and these aren’t side issues. These are matters of life and death for millions of people. When it comes to climate change, it’s a matter of life and death for the whole planet."

    Snapped

    their primary coverage was good but once it got into covid 19 and protest season it changed for me

  • Jun 24, 2020
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    Smoofer

    Anyone got good introductory books on socialism?

    Yeah the communist manifesto

  • Jun 24, 2020
    Synopsis

    Yeah the communist manifesto

  • Jun 25, 2020
    Scratchin Mamba

    Krystal talking about collaborating with right-wing populists as if it's like anarchists working with Marxists lmao

    Fr

  • Jun 25, 2020

    He missed the point with this one tbh

  • Jun 25, 2020
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    But he's an ultra so it's not surprising

  • Jun 25, 2020
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    Anyone know how all this can apply to modern western society?

    Aren't the most the so called socialist countries still lowkey capatalist?

  • Jun 25, 2020
    Swayzomad
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    Anyone know how all this can apply to modern western society?

    Aren't the most the so called socialist countries still lowkey capatalist?

    They're social democratic

  • Jun 25, 2020

    So yes capitalism

  • Jun 25, 2020
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    Swayzomad
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    Anyone know how all this can apply to modern western society?

    Aren't the most the so called socialist countries still lowkey capatalist?

    Which countries are you talking about?

  • Jun 25, 2020
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    Scratchin Mamba

    Which countries are you talking about?

    Sweeden, France and the UK (if some of my fave lefties had their way)

  • Jun 25, 2020
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    Swayzomad

    Sweeden, France and the UK (if some of my fave lefties had their way)

    Nah they're definitely capitalist

  • Jun 25, 2020
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    Scratchin Mamba

    Nah they're definitely capitalist

    Yeah for sure like the guy above says social democracy.

    I'm asking though how do the socialism lovers expect it to work in these places or is the ultimate goal to just relocate

  • Jun 25, 2020
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    Swayzomad

    Yeah for sure like the guy above says social democracy.

    I'm asking though how do the socialism lovers expect it to work in these places or is the ultimate goal to just relocate

    "it" being social democracy or socialism?

    And wym relocate?

  • Jun 25, 2020
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    Scratchin Mamba

    "it" being social democracy or socialism?

    And wym relocate?

    Socialism

    Essentially i'm asking what are the goals of people who support or consider themselves socialist assuming they are living in a capitalist country?

    (relocation was just an example)

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    Swayzomad

    Socialism

    Essentially i'm asking what are the goals of people who support or consider themselves socialist assuming they are living in a capitalist country?

    (relocation was just an example)

    Our goal is socialism to spread around the world. Socialism is internationalist, Marx said "workers of the world, unite", not "workers within every Nation State ™".

    So no, moving to a socialist country wouldn't do anything for our goals as socialists lol, since it doesn't help spread socialism in any way.

  • Jun 25, 2020
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    Scratchin Mamba

    Our goal is socialism to spread around the world. Socialism is internationalist, Marx said "workers of the world, unite", not "workers within every Nation State ™".

    So no, moving to a socialist country wouldn't do anything for our goals as socialists lol, since it doesn't help spread socialism in any way.

    Are you US based?

  • Jun 25, 2020
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    Swayzomad

    Are you US based?

    Nah Netherlands

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    Smoofer

    Anyone got good introductory books on socialism?

    An Introduction to Marxist Economics.
    By Ernest Mandel.
    About 60 pages of text.
    Easy to understand summary of Marx's a***ysis of capitalism, and thus an introduction to socialism.

    If you have any questions about the text hit me up. It's the best summary I've read so far.

    The Communist Manifesto is a bad start because it was a pamphlet written in the beginning of Marx' career and isn't meant as an introduction but as a flyer for 19th century workers.

    The main ideas to understand are the Labor Theory of Value, Historical Materialism and the Tendency of Profits to Fall. These three ideas are the core of all socialist a***ysis.

    HTML: marxists.org/archive/mandel/1967/intromet/index.htm

    PDF: readingfromtheleft.com/PDF/Mandel-EconTheory.pdf

  • Jun 26, 2020

    about to finish pedagogy of the oppressed

    recommend for everyone

  • Jun 26, 2020
    Scratchin Mamba

    Nah Netherlands

    goedendag!

  • Jun 27, 2020
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    Smoofer

    Anyone got good introductory books on socialism?

    motorcycle diaries by che guevara! it doesn’t really explain socialism or anything but it’s an amazing book that puts things into perspective