Jul 11, 2020·1 reply
DEL_3352point out to me the corpses that exist due to capitalism
Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan multiple countries such as vietnam, nicaragua, and others in latin america during the cold war, the people who die of starvation, who die because of poverty etc.,
its a pretty big total, i don't think I could get an accurate amount but it is certainly in the millions.
- Jul 11, 2020·1 reply
are all the people who have barely escaped communist countries with their lives wrong?
- Jul 11, 2020·2 replies
You're making some mighty bold claims about human nature. What are you using to back them up? Where is your proof? How do you know what traits are inherent to us?
- Jul 11, 2020·3 repliesSynopsis
Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan multiple countries such as vietnam, nicaragua, and others in latin america during the cold war, the people who die of starvation, who die because of poverty etc.,
its a pretty big total, i don't think I could get an accurate amount but it is certainly in the millions.
just because they are connected to the acts of a capitalist country doesnt mean theyre the result of capitalism
Jul 11, 2020SynopsisYou're making some mighty bold claims about human nature. What are you using to back them up? Where is your proof? How do you know what traits are inherent to us?
his view of human nature through the narrow capitalist lens, so it must be true.
- Jul 11, 2020·2 repliesDEL_3352
just because they are connected to the acts of a capitalist country doesnt mean theyre the result of capitalism
just because they are connected to the acts of a "communist" country doesnt mean theyre the result of communism
- Jul 11, 2020·1 replyDEL_3352
just because they are connected to the acts of a capitalist country doesnt mean theyre the result of capitalism
Reagan sponsored death squads in latin america specifically to halt the rise of communism so that capitalism could be the prevailing economic mode in the world lol. Then there's things like the bangladesh factory collapse, the untold damage to the worlds climate which has caused irreparable harms to communities throughout the world.
- Jul 11, 2020Frog
just because they are connected to the acts of a "communist" country doesnt mean theyre the result of communism
Its like he can't realize how contradictory his statement is to his whole point
- Jul 11, 2020·1 replyFrog
just because they are connected to the acts of a "communist" country doesnt mean theyre the result of communism
the difference is that the deaths in russia, china and cambodia were prescribed directly according to marxist theory
removing anyone who falls under the categorization of an 'oppressor' from society
- Jul 11, 2020·1 replySynopsis
Reagan sponsored death squads in latin america specifically to halt the rise of communism so that capitalism could be the prevailing economic mode in the world lol. Then there's things like the bangladesh factory collapse, the untold damage to the worlds climate which has caused irreparable harms to communities throughout the world.
okay, so how are the death squads the result of the theory of a free and fair market?
- Jul 11, 2020·1 replyDEL_3352
the difference is that the deaths in russia, china and cambodia were prescribed directly according to marxist theory
removing anyone who falls under the categorization of an 'oppressor' from society
Can you point to the words in marxist theory that prescribe to this and then point out how they were carried out in those countries?
and how do you reconcile capitalisms priority of profit over all with the fact that giving people shelter, food, and not harming the climate would undoubtedly harm profit margins for capitalists so thus it is not done?
- Jul 11, 2020·1 replyDEL_3352
okay, so how are the death squads the result of the theory of a free and fair market?
Because Capitalism is ever expanding, it inevitably needs to become a global phenomenon. Thus, it is not pertinent to the United States, the main purveyor of Capitalism, to allow other countries to exist in a system that isn't reliant on capitalism because it will give fewer trade partners, which in turn gives them fewer resources and a much smaller workforce to exploit.
- Jul 11, 2020·1 replySynopsis
Can you point to the words in marxist theory that prescribe to this and then point out how they were carried out in those countries?
and how do you reconcile capitalisms priority of profit over all with the fact that giving people shelter, food, and not harming the climate would undoubtedly harm profit margins for capitalists so thus it is not done?
marx's theory creates a framework by which anybody that is doing better than you is an oppressor, and in which case it's justified to remove them from the system to make things fairer
however the person that makes the decision on who is oppressing them can judge this on an infinite amount of axis, hence ending up in a place where they can justify labelling another person an oppressor on anything that suits them
sure, there are capitalist entities that go to far and im not making excuses for them, the world isnt a perfect place. but as a foundational system it provides a world where people have the freedom and choice to reach for and go after the things in life that they want to do, and that in essence is very valuable
- Jul 11, 2020·1 replySynopsis
Because Capitalism is ever expanding, it inevitably needs to become a global phenomenon. Thus, it is not pertinent to the United States, the main purveyor of Capitalism, to allow other countries to exist in a system that isn't reliant on capitalism because it will give fewer trade partners, which in turn gives them fewer resources and a much smaller workforce to exploit.
capitalism raises poor countries out of poverty, socialism keeps them poor
- Jul 11, 2020·2 repliesDEL_3352
marx's theory creates a framework by which anybody that is doing better than you is an oppressor, and in which case it's justified to remove them from the system to make things fairer
however the person that makes the decision on who is oppressing them can judge this on an infinite amount of axis, hence ending up in a place where they can justify labelling another person an oppressor on anything that suits them
sure, there are capitalist entities that go to far and im not making excuses for them, the world isnt a perfect place. but as a foundational system it provides a world where people have the freedom and choice to reach for and go after the things in life that they want to do, and that in essence is very valuable
As I said, point to where in Marxist texts where this is espoused.
"Capitalist entities that go too far" lmao we are literally talking about the united states in the last near 100 years up until this very point today. The only freedom you have in a capitalist society is the freedom of who to sell your labor to for ever diminishing returns on that labor. There is a reason most people never get to do the things they want to do; because the system does not allow it.
- Jul 11, 2020DEL_3352
capitalism raises poor countries out of poverty, socialism keeps them poor
lmao my god
- Jul 11, 2020·1 replySynopsis
As I said, point to where in Marxist texts where this is espoused.
"Capitalist entities that go too far" lmao we are literally talking about the united states in the last near 100 years up until this very point today. The only freedom you have in a capitalist society is the freedom of who to sell your labor to for ever diminishing returns on that labor. There is a reason most people never get to do the things they want to do; because the system does not allow it.
im saying that human nature is incompatible with marx's theories, and that where they quickly unravel
i dont need to quote an exact line, we both know the theory revolves around the oppressor vs the oppressed. im saying once you take that theory and fuse it with human nature it falls apart
the soviet union, china, north korea etc. were all as sure of themselves as you are. once they put it into practice it fell apart because it does not work. how much proof would you need before admitting it doesnt work?
- Jul 11, 2020·2 repliesSynopsis
As I said, point to where in Marxist texts where this is espoused.
"Capitalist entities that go too far" lmao we are literally talking about the united states in the last near 100 years up until this very point today. The only freedom you have in a capitalist society is the freedom of who to sell your labor to for ever diminishing returns on that labor. There is a reason most people never get to do the things they want to do; because the system does not allow it.
you have the freedom to think and say what you want
you have the freedom to walk where you want, and buy what you want
you dont live in fear that any day could be your last
- Jul 11, 2020DEL_3352
im saying that human nature is incompatible with marx's theories, and that where they quickly unravel
i dont need to quote an exact line, we both know the theory revolves around the oppressor vs the oppressed. im saying once you take that theory and fuse it with human nature it falls apart
the soviet union, china, north korea etc. were all as sure of themselves as you are. once they put it into practice it fell apart because it does not work. how much proof would you need before admitting it doesnt work?
you have yet to expand on what human nature is and what traits comprise it and why its incompatible with marxism.
and no, that is not how i read marx lol. its not how anyone would read marx, unless they had a very bad understanding of the text. have you read marx lol? and again, what traits of human nature are you talking about?
and maybe you should read some history on those countries as well
- Jul 11, 2020DEL_3352
you have the freedom to think and say what you want
you have the freedom to walk where you want, and buy what you want
you dont live in fear that any day could be your last
lol this isn't true for the vast majority of people
i can't walk anywhere i want, we value private property in this country
i can't buy anything i want, that is dependent on income. i can't say what I want. and many people, especially black people and other minorities have to live in constant fear of the violent arm of the state aka the police
- Jul 11, 2020DEL_3352
you have the freedom to think and say what you want
you have the freedom to walk where you want, and buy what you want
you dont live in fear that any day could be your last
youre confusing a mode of economy with authoritarianism
Jul 11, 2020DEL_3352by explaining how the philosophy of the oppressor vs the oppressed is inherently flawed because as the communist experiment progresses in a country the parameters of what defines an 'oppressor' always grow larger as the hate of those better of than you becomes more powerful than love of those worse off than you
its not my job to summarise the video for you, if you people truly stand behind these ideas, you'd have the time to watch and form your own opinion
Jordan Peterson doesn't know s*** about Marxism he literally just skimmed thru the communist manifesto (his words not mine)
- Jul 11, 2020DEL_3352
point out to me the corpses that exist due to capitalism
- Jul 11, 2020DEL_3352
are all the people who have barely escaped communist countries with their lives wrong?
are all the people who have barely escaped capitalist countries with their lives wrong?