SEGA GOON

4y

I'd eat crickets tbh I think they are like shrimp but on land

SEGA GOON

4y

Their 20-something, predominantly female characters are defined to an extent by the way they define themselves online, a mix of jokey memes, earnest questioning, engaged activism, real horniness, performative fakeness and the search for an authentic self. https://t.co/P9gUNA9ESG https://t.co/wfZXqj2saB

In “Bodies Bodies Bodies,” based on a story by viral “Cat Person” author Kristen Roupenian, a group of mostly wealthy, mostly college-age friends meet at one’s family estate to party hard during an impending storm. They decide to play the game that gives the film its title — a variation on “Mafia” or “Werewolf” in which players try to deduce who among them is hiding information — when the power goes out and people start to die actual violent deaths, one by one. The friends turn on each other, and the film becomes a biting satire on class and privilege, all mediated by new technology, the language of progressive politics and youth culture, and Gen Z identity itself.

“This is just the best age group to examine human behavior,” said #BodiesBodiesBodies director Halina Reijn. “When the power goes out and the Wi-Fi goes out, they change. The animal comes out. It’s like the Wi-Fi is our oxygen. Wi-Fi out, demons in.” https://t.co/P9gUNA9ESG https://t.co/DVsbeDs6TY

Scratchin Mamba

4y

You're right fam i've been thinking abt that too

I'm kinda stuck just consuming political content, and it does make me more knowledgeable for sure, it gives me a better perspective of what's happening and how to make sense of things, which isn't useless at all, because people who were "apolitical" a short while afo are getting politicized into something terrible on different sides of the spectrum (even within leftism), and luckily i've been able to escape that partly because of that.

But i'm at a point now where i'm not getting much further than developing my own understanding why things are f***ed and not knowing how i can do my part in making things better. I mean i have my own ideas in terms of irl organizing but it's kinda hard to get started here bc there's honestly not much going on and at least rn it's kinda overwhelming atm to find something.

I'm also just way too online tbh, rarely do my online interactions abt politics actually make me even understand something better. I can't say it's completely useless either bc at the end of the day i did get to where i was w ideologically bc of ktt of all places (shoutout @cloud_rap ), and i'd like to think i've helped some others too, but at the end of the day i'm also doing a lot of bs petty arguing that doesn't do anything but make me feel like im owning the libs lol. Pretty much only this thread feels like it isn't just s***slinging for no good reason to me

Gonna have to disengage from a lot of shyt for a minute even just for my mental and come back wiser and when i engage w politics hopefully do it more productively w more real life organizing and less petty online shyt and doomscrolling

SEGA GOON

4y

Aye mayne we all gotta find our way. Maybe you need some adjacent interests and hobbies so you can tone down the political content consumption.

Also debatelording gets boring after a while. My infamous "we need 800 billionaires" convo lasted about 7h. I remember another time where I argued for like 10h on leftypol against Dengists during the lockdown. That's time I'll never get back

I haven't had full-on debates for a while. I advise you refrain from such debates on Reddit and KTT. I saw you duke it out with our resident neoliberals for too many posts and I thought to myself "dam bro they'll never get it". I know debates are for outside readers too but there are probably more time efficient ways to convince people than to argue with childish neoliberals online

americana

4y

Ah s*** I thought you were @PhilipMorris

Sir Real

4y

I don’t live in Lansas don’t lump me in with them weirdos

space0cadet

4y

no thatts that one guy who said hes friends with the dude from rev left radio

americana

4y

You could sell me a beach house in LeBraska, chairman. don’t get it twisted

Sir Real

4y

If you ever have a layover in Omaha I will show you it is nothing like what you think nebraska is great city

Synopsis

4y

the communist manifesto is one of the "paird comparative texts" for one of the novels we're allowed to have our classes read this year so that is definitely something

p apollo

4y

For this assignment class you will be completing a DBQ based on this krishna bound essay on ktt2 socialism thread

SEGA GOON

4y

Their 20-something, predominantly female characters are defined to an extent by the way they define themselves online, a mix of jokey memes, earnest questioning, engaged activism, real horniness, performative fakeness and the search for an authentic self. https://t.co/P9gUNA9ESG https://t.co/wfZXqj2saB

In “Bodies Bodies Bodies,” based on a story by viral “Cat Person” author Kristen Roupenian, a group of mostly wealthy, mostly college-age friends meet at one’s family estate to party hard during an impending storm. They decide to play the game that gives the film its title — a variation on “Mafia” or “Werewolf” in which players try to deduce who among them is hiding information — when the power goes out and people start to die actual violent deaths, one by one. The friends turn on each other, and the film becomes a biting satire on class and privilege, all mediated by new technology, the language of progressive politics and youth culture, and Gen Z identity itself.

“This is just the best age group to examine human behavior,” said #BodiesBodiesBodies director Halina Reijn. “When the power goes out and the Wi-Fi goes out, they change. The animal comes out. It’s like the Wi-Fi is our oxygen. Wi-Fi out, demons in.” https://t.co/P9gUNA9ESG https://t.co/DVsbeDs6TY

krishna bound

5y

okay bear with me here because this is going to be a really long post lol

fascism is an incredibly complicated ideology because throughout history its implementation and popular actors have been influenced more by historical factors than they by the actual ideology itself. it is incredibly complicated to even begin to dissect because the history is linked to the ideology itself in terms of discussion.because of this there really isn't a great example of what "fascism" means; virtually everyone to get near the term as a ruling class interpreted it idiosyncratically or were cross-influenced by others who basically forced the ideology in a certain direction.

to begin with, the original idea of fascism is itself distinct historically; there are basically a handful of distinct ideologies which originated the term which create confusion. Before getting into that, the first thing which is important to understand is there have always been two roots lineages of fascism; that of integral nationalism, or that which believes in counter-revolutionary theory, and that of revolutionary revolt. This confusing and highly distinct set of lineages sometimes crossed lines or cross-influenced each other despite being diametrically opposed philosophically, which is one reason much of the emerging fascist states of the 20th century were so ideologically scattered and nonsensical. At its core, the idea of fascism is relatively simple: the order at which the world works naturally is detrimental, and humans must disrupt natural order. The belief is that the full line of human history and lineage has essentially stagnated or been a mistake, and thus has resulted in a broken society. The idea is that ALL ideology and ALL politics and ALL systems resulting from such are intrinsically broken, and the purpose is to disrupt the order of such to re-create a nation which is fully distinct from the boundaries, ideas, politics, etc. of the old world. Especially post-industrialization and the state of the world in the 19th-20th century, you can see how this was increasingly appealing.

Fascists at their core reject the enlightenment and every derivative of such - this is why as I've mentioned in other threads the Dadaists were fascists. Absurdism & Nihilism are the core proponents of fascism; the ideology fundamentally cannot be understood without knowing this. I will get to the points about religion and culture in a bit. It's also incredibly important to note that there's a reason many of the people who eventually became fascists were originally anarchists or even loosely socialist. There is indeed semantically a common goal albeit not in practice, and there is actually a large overlap of anarchist theory with fascist theory - beyond the acknowledgement of nihilism, this is also historically because one of the two root lineages of Fascism in part stems from the French Revolution; many of the early fascists were Sorellians (and why Sorel is considered a proto-fascist), or even non-orthodox Marxists, and cited the same ideas as syndicalists and proto-anarchists. The reason fascists ideologically came to despise communism is because they believed it was simply a re-organization of capitalism; fascists do not believe in anything. They do not think there should be an economy for example. They do not believe in material society because they think material society only exists as a fabrication, and because society has dictacted such; thus they believe abolishing society they could restructure things under a means where material distinctions or class conflict simply does not exist at all.They believe all aspects of society is fabricated - as such much of the original absurdism that inspired fascist philosophy is ironically that which later can be seen in post-structuralism under a different lens and interpretation.

That is, that everything is interpreted, everything is detached, and just as everything is fabricated, everything can be re-fabricated with the right political tools and populism of the people. Fascists also hate the bourgeois because while they don't care about economics on an intrinsic level, they do not actually reject dialectics inherently; it's just that instead believe that dialectics only exist as a fabricated means of which if the bourgeois did not exist, the dialectic would also cease to exist because the bourgeois are the ones driving simultaneously the contradictions of culture (which they believe is of utmost importance) and hoarding the wealth of which determines culture to begin with. Fascists were of course, essentially idealistically utopian, and represented a flip coin side of a ultra-nihilistic post-structural (again, historically before post-structuralism, but still) anarchism where instead of believing the best means of dealing with this is a reversion to syndicalized tribes and anti-nation building, instead the best solution was to rebuild society under a means where contradictions simply did not exist and culture could thrive, since the belief was culture is the greatest apparatus of stability and the sole thing that keeps humans from delving into suicidal nihilism. There is no specific framework for fascism and no intrinsic political idealism; the core idea is simply "who gives a s*** if everything is fake, economics is fake, politics is fake, the government is fake, geopolitical relations are fake, the only thing that matters is the population being stable and our culture overcoming nihilism".

This is simultaneously why, as you can probably imagine, Fascism went into hundreds of incredibly distinct inconceivable directions - there is no again actual political belief, it is entirely obsessed with philosophy and carrying out philosophical ideals.Fascism can affirm anything which it thinks can achieve this goal; original fascists supported syndicalism because they thought a post-syndicalist union-based society would best achieve this goal. Some fascists supported the monarchy or religious totalitarianism for the reasons below. I also would add that there is a reason fascists did not care about race originally - it is because they rejected race as a post-enlightenment fabrication. In order to rebuild their utopian society, they believed identity should be defined by shared culture under the guise of nationalism; this can actually be seen in early italian fascist or french fascieu policy for example. You can also probably see how similarly the obsession with overcoming societal nihilism lead to the obsession with futurism.

Back to the original "two root lineages", this is basically what lead to the split of counter-revolutionary vs revolutionary theory. If you believe everything is fabricated, there are essentially only two logical end-goals:
1) If everything is meaningless, then the preservation of life as we know it is more important than anything, because with the acknowledgement of absurdism, we are subject to infinite change, and infinite change will disrupt life, because we can only place meaning ultimately in what we know. these are the types who flocked to integralism, monarchism, etc. - this lineage was supposed to have been discarded once the latter was created but the counter-revolutionary branch of the ideology kept it; the same way that Marxists would consider these people reactionary, actual early Fascists would too, albeit under a different word.
2) If everything is meaningless, we must abolish all that we know, and create a society which creates meaning. these are the types who overlapped often with emerging anarchist theory and were the dadaists. the influence here was way more broad - this even influenced non-fascists such as Salazar for example who thought the abolishment of all politics was the only way to best rule a country, and make decisions according to the people rather than according law or economics

now with that said, i have to note that the historical emergence of fascism was incredibly complicated. Nazi germany, which is the current touchstone for fascism, emerged out of a weird mixture of the above two lineages. This is largely because Nazi Germany was reactionary and took ideas from tons of inconsistent and unequivocal sources; the idea of Nazism was a synthesis of societal reactions essentially compressed together. The understand of marxists ideas of fascism is essentially nazism, despite Nazism not actually being a lineage of fascism - the origin of Nazism was a idiosyncratic mishmash of reactionary and counter-revolutionary ideas mixed with Volkisch Nationalism - something which actual original fascists would have abhorred. There are indeed overlaps which later happened historically and ideologically, but I'd note that this is because Nazism is not a real belief system. Almost every nazi philosopher disagreed. Spengler, Schmitt, Stapel, Strasser, Rosenberg, and even esoteric root philosophers like Evola and Weininger rarely overlapped and pushed and pulled in arbitrary directions. Were they a nationalist party seeking identitarian rebirth? A party espousing a resurrective spiritualism? Were they an economic means of upholding cultural virtue? Were they revolutionary? Anti-revolutionary? Atheistic? Spiritual? None of them would agree. But they became virtually the most powerful country in the Axis and their meaningelss policy came to dominate countries like Italy which had no choice but to bend to them - after all, how could a country that literally did not even believe in economics succeed? Meanwhile you can see how the influence of the above lineage 1 influenced someone like Franco.

sorry would write more but im a bit burnt out and this is like legit writing a full on dissertation because of how complicated of a topic this is might come back in a few days and finish writing it or turn it into a substack post or something

americana

4y

This is the best post itt

the reds

4y

If there were more parties in the US congress but the Democrats/Republicans picked their candidates it would defeat the purpose wouldn't it?

americana

4y

Also there are times to stop reading theory and stop a***yzing bourgeois imperialist politics and start working in your community to build a strong socialist foundation

I think everyone itt has a strong enough understanding of their basic local issues to begin organizing irl

Sometimes I don’t get why we read so much. I kinda wanna see this thread pivot from just reading experiences and theoretical debate to sharing and debating pragmatic and material organizing techniques

krishna bound

4y

https://ktt2.com/time-to-go-organic-32528447

thread reminded me of this incidentally but ive been mulling over this idea for awhile (not that the thread is about this but tangentially to the news story)

ive always hated this stupid mostly rw trend on social media of "i will not eat bugs, i will not live in the pod, etc." bs

which sure, i understand the sentiment of in theory not wanting to be relegated to a lower standard of living by a higher authority vs the standard of living of the past generation

however these people gotta be the dumbest mfers on the internet when it comes to further extrapolating beyond the dumb little catchphrase

like what DO you think you're currently eating? do you think the food you're buying in stores currently is safe & pure? what do you think the people producing the based & epic trad steak you're buying are doing to get it to you as per FDA regulation? like the literal f***ing FDA handbook says "meat" is qualified by being only 35% intended/claimed meat. there is a legal % of allowed grinded up bugs that is allowed to exist in consumer products w/o disclosure after inspection

almost every consumer product is tainted in some way no matter what based "organic" product you buy. over 90% of the US population relies on grocery stores and only 22.6% of produced goods actually come from "small farms" (which is qualified as <$500k in revenue yearly). only 2.6% of jobs in the US are farmers and this has declined exponentially YoY

also people acting like if they buy land they actually own it because they were handed a piece of paper as if the govt can't just seize that s*** and kill them immediately if they felt like it

god i hate right wingers so much it is nuts

krishna bound

4y

required reading for any discussion about fascism

deadacc

4y

would be sick but also sometimes i wonder about security a bit

Scratchin Mamba

4y

You're right fam i've been thinking abt that too

I'm kinda stuck just consuming political content, and it does make me more knowledgeable for sure, it gives me a better perspective of what's happening and how to make sense of things, which isn't useless at all, because people who were "apolitical" a short while afo are getting politicized into something terrible on different sides of the spectrum (even within leftism), and luckily i've been able to escape that partly because of that.

But i'm at a point now where i'm not getting much further than developing my own understanding why things are f***ed and not knowing how i can do my part in making things better. I mean i have my own ideas in terms of irl organizing but it's kinda hard to get started here bc there's honestly not much going on and at least rn it's kinda overwhelming atm to find something.

I'm also just way too online tbh, rarely do my online interactions abt politics actually make me even understand something better. I can't say it's completely useless either bc at the end of the day i did get to where i was w ideologically bc of ktt of all places (shoutout @cloud_rap ), and i'd like to think i've helped some others too, but at the end of the day i'm also doing a lot of bs petty arguing that doesn't do anything but make me feel like im owning the libs lol. Pretty much only this thread feels like it isn't just s***slinging for no good reason to me

Gonna have to disengage from a lot of shyt for a minute even just for my mental and come back wiser and when i engage w politics hopefully do it more productively w more real life organizing and less petty online shyt and doomscrolling

americana

4y

Whatever we post itt is less than anonymous to any intelligence organization worth its weight

I’m talking about discussing basic goals, practices, and success in our journey for labor organization, not a violent conspiracy

Unless