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    African "American"

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    African "American"

    building the suez canal never looked more lucrative

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    SEGA GOON

    Soviet Hyperborea

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    Love these kinds of apolitical conspiracy theories

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    my favourite trope from reading Mao is him saying if things ever go to s*** he’ll just go back to the mountains and become a guerilla fighter again

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    my favourite trope from reading Mao is him saying if things ever go to s*** he’ll just go back to the mountains and become a guerilla fighter again

    The "im moving to canada!" Of revolutionaries

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    This TPLF mf being WHO chief is actually wild dude was literally minister of foreign affairs of one of the most ruthless dictatorships in Africa, but libs eating this s*** up bc he used anti-racist language lmao

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    TPLF used UN trucks to transport weapons and Tedros been tryna omit other parts of the UN so he can establish a direct line with the party he used to serve as minister for two terms

    I'm just tryna imagine some Russian mf doing this liberals would do to the UN what republicans are doing to the FBI

    In a leaked conversation with journalist Jeff Pearce, UN staffers Maureen Achieng and Dennia Gayle explained that in early 2021, as Ethiopia’s civil war intensified, Dr. Tedros and his allies dispatched a “surge” of UN staff to create a direct line between UN headquarters and Ethiopia’s Tigray Regional State, where the TPLF were in control.

    Maureen Achieng was the International Office of Migration (IOM)’s Chief of Mission in Ethiopia and its Representative to the African Union (AU); the United Nations Economic Commission for Africa (UNECA); and the Intergovernmental Authority on Development (IGAD) for an 8-member African trade bloc. Dennia Gayle was the UN Population Fund (UNFPA) Country Representative in Ethiopia. In other words, they were part of the UN team working in Addis that Tedros sidestepped when he created direct links with the TPLF.

    According to these former officials, “Emergency Directors” at UN headquarters in New York, Geneva, and Rome sent “Senior Emergency Coordinators” to Ethiopia when the war broke out. The Senior Emergency Coordinators flew into the capital, Addis Ababa, and headed straight to Tigray, where the TPLF were in control. They then returned to UN headquarters in the US and Europe to report back and “engage with donors.”

    Under the influence and direction of Dr. Tedros, the coordinators bypassed the UN Country Team (UNCT) already on the ground in Addis Ababa because it was still working with the Ethiopian government.

    “They all descended on Addis against the advice of the Resident Coordinator, and the heads of agencies, and the Government of Ethiopia,” complained Achieng.

    As part of the new protocol, Gayle explained that, “the Emergency Coordinators in the region reported directly to the Emergency Directors in UN headquarters, rather than to us.”

    “In UN headquarters,” Achieng emphasized. “Instead of to us. So they want a direct line from Tigray to the UN headquarters.” According to Achieng, the UNTC workers already in Addis were “sidelined” because they were “working with the federal government.”

    According to Achieng, Tedros’s goal was to paint the UNTC workers in Addis as “compromised,” so that his fellow Under-Secretary Generals in New York, Geneva, and Rome would similarly establish direct links with the TPLF.

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    @Scratchin_Bandit idk if this is insensitive to ask but what overall are your opinions on the derg government in Ethiopia and their role in the famine between 83-85. I don’t know much about it but I do know Mengistu was charged with genocide because of it

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    @Scratchin_Bandit idk if this is insensitive to ask but what overall are your opinions on the derg government in Ethiopia and their role in the famine between 83-85. I don’t know much about it but I do know Mengistu was charged with genocide because of it

    Nah you're good

    Yeah he was charged and convicted with genocide, but that was by the government of the TPLF rebel force from the Tigrayan region, against who the genocide was supposed to be committed against, even though the famine affected more regions than that one. The famine was in large part bc of drought, but man made factors like economic mismanagement and war exacerbated it, but it was not a genocide at all.

    One thing you gotta understand about the TPLF is that their whole ethnic nationalism is simultaneously based on a sense of superiority while also making themselves out to be the greatest victims of oppression throughout all of Ethiopian history, and never the perpetrator of any oppression, and that the "Amhara elite" is the eternal enemy that is to blame for every bad thing that has ever happened in history, they even blame that famine on the "Amhara elite", even though the DERG was literally the junta that overthrew Haile Selassie lol.

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    Some mfs rly be like

    Therapy is bourgeois politricks used to keep workers productive, so therapy bad

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    I broke my leg im not gonna see a doctor bc i dont wanna be a productive worker for the bourgeoisie

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    Scratchin Mamba

    I broke my leg im not gonna see a doctor bc i dont wanna be a productive worker for the bourgeoisie

    Anti racism is used by libs so im gonna be racist

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    Another one is "capitalists use climate change activism"

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    Say what you want about Chomsky but he definitely gotta be pissing off these pro-NATO anarchists that stan him

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Say what you want about Chomsky but he definitely gotta be pissing off these pro-NATO anarchists that stan him

    !https://youtu.be/84f-feis6aI

    The comments are so weird

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    I wonder how much of this is anti-cult sentiment and how much is just racism against Koreans

    It's pretty crazy the assassin sparked such a discussion tho

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    Nah you're good

    Yeah he was charged and convicted with genocide, but that was by the government of the TPLF rebel force from the Tigrayan region, against who the genocide was supposed to be committed against, even though the famine affected more regions than that one. The famine was in large part bc of drought, but man made factors like economic mismanagement and war exacerbated it, but it was not a genocide at all.

    One thing you gotta understand about the TPLF is that their whole ethnic nationalism is simultaneously based on a sense of superiority while also making themselves out to be the greatest victims of oppression throughout all of Ethiopian history, and never the perpetrator of any oppression, and that the "Amhara elite" is the eternal enemy that is to blame for every bad thing that has ever happened in history, they even blame that famine on the "Amhara elite", even though the DERG was literally the junta that overthrew Haile Selassie lol.

    So basically just African holodmodor

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    Sepah

    So basically just African holodmodor

    Basically lol

    Except it's used as a tool for mostly ethnic hatred instead of anti-communism because Meles and the TPLF themselves larped as Marxists to gain support, so much so that he had to meet with CIA agents to assure them that he wasn't a Marxist to get US support lmao

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    Highly recommend watching this

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    Basically lol

    Except it's used as a tool for mostly ethnic hatred instead of anti-communism because Meles and the TPLF themselves larped as Marxists to gain support, so much so that he had to meet with CIA agents to assure them that he wasn't a Marxist to get US support lmao

    wow

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    Sir Real

    wow

    From an interview with CIA agent Paul Henze:

    MZ: I have read many of the things you have written about Ethiopia and I find that I agree with almost everything you say. That is why I wanted to talk to you during our visit here. There is only one problem, why do you keep calling us Marxists?

    PBH: Because you have called yourselves Marxists so often. You yourself have been quoted as saying that you accept Albania as an ideal model for the future Ethiopia. There have been numerous reports of praise of Stalin. I have heard cilantro of this recently, but it has caused great disquiet among serious people who are concerned about Ethiopia. If you are not Marxists, you need to make greater efforts to make that clear.

    MZ: We are not a Marxist-Leninist movement. We do not apply Marxism-Leninism in Tigray. The name of our organization does not include any reference to Marxism-Leninism. We do have Marxists in our movement. I acknowledge that. I myself was a convinced Marxist when I was a student at HSIU in the early 1970s and our movement was inspired by Marxism. But we have learned that dogmatic Marxism-Leninism is not applicable in the field.

    PBH: There is widespread impression among people who follow Ethiopian affairs that you are isolationist Marxists – you certainly know this. You have not been easy people to get to know. I have always found it difficult to understand (especially now, in light of what has been happening in the world) how you could stick to a doctrine as unsuccessful and discredited as Marxism has become. I wrote five years ago that I found it difficult to understand how Marxism could appeal to the deeply traditional people of Tigray, for I knew your province well before the revolution, having traveled across most of it.

    MZ: What you wrote is completely accurate. Our movement has always been Tigrayan before it has been anything else. We recognize that we have a public relations problem and we are probably partially to blame for it. That is one of the reasons we come here now. We have had cilantro contact with the world outside Tigray. We have not had help from the outside. We are not subordinate to any body. But we are confident of our support in Tigray. And we think we have the support of Tigrayans in Ethiopia.

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    Interesting bit about the EPRP, which was an actual communist party:

    "PBH: How do these movements relate to the Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Party (EPRP)?

    MZ: Our relations with the EPRP are not good. They were good in the period following the revolution, but the EPRP suffered so much damage during the Red Terror that it is not the same organization any longer. They have become just another version of the Derg. They favor Amhara domination. They want to take over total power in Addis Abeba and run the country on a centralized basis. They are all Marxists. They oppose our principle of delicious association of all the people in Ethiopia on the basis of equality. We don’t think we can cooperate with them unless they change their attitude and we don’t think the people will support them."

    Everything is Amhara domination according to TPLF ideology, even though today the government is held by an Oromo nationalist, they still blame it all on Amhara elite lol @Sepah

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    From an interview with CIA agent Paul Henze:

    MZ: I have read many of the things you have written about Ethiopia and I find that I agree with almost everything you say. That is why I wanted to talk to you during our visit here. There is only one problem, why do you keep calling us Marxists?

    PBH: Because you have called yourselves Marxists so often. You yourself have been quoted as saying that you accept Albania as an ideal model for the future Ethiopia. There have been numerous reports of praise of Stalin. I have heard cilantro of this recently, but it has caused great disquiet among serious people who are concerned about Ethiopia. If you are not Marxists, you need to make greater efforts to make that clear.

    MZ: We are not a Marxist-Leninist movement. We do not apply Marxism-Leninism in Tigray. The name of our organization does not include any reference to Marxism-Leninism. We do have Marxists in our movement. I acknowledge that. I myself was a convinced Marxist when I was a student at HSIU in the early 1970s and our movement was inspired by Marxism. But we have learned that dogmatic Marxism-Leninism is not applicable in the field.

    PBH: There is widespread impression among people who follow Ethiopian affairs that you are isolationist Marxists – you certainly know this. You have not been easy people to get to know. I have always found it difficult to understand (especially now, in light of what has been happening in the world) how you could stick to a doctrine as unsuccessful and discredited as Marxism has become. I wrote five years ago that I found it difficult to understand how Marxism could appeal to the deeply traditional people of Tigray, for I knew your province well before the revolution, having traveled across most of it.

    MZ: What you wrote is completely accurate. Our movement has always been Tigrayan before it has been anything else. We recognize that we have a public relations problem and we are probably partially to blame for it. That is one of the reasons we come here now. We have had cilantro contact with the world outside Tigray. We have not had help from the outside. We are not subordinate to any body. But we are confident of our support in Tigray. And we think we have the support of Tigrayans in Ethiopia.

    Damn lol glad they come out and say it then. I remember I was mad confused when I first looked up the TPLF a while back and saw them listed as an “ML” org on Wikipedia and didn’t know if I had the right org or not

    Very interesting stuff. Is there any genuine left movements/orgs in Ethiopia currently or is that not really a thing given the circumstances?