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  • Aug 24, 2022
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    SEGA GOON

    Their original plan had stuff like land reforms and so on, maybe if Apartheid ended in the 70s or 80s they could have went with it, but after the failure of the USSR bloc I think they saw no way out and had to water it down

    Yup came right at the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union and they couldn't hold their nerve

  • Aug 24, 2022
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    kool2

    Yup came right at the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union and they couldn't hold their nerve

    Later Mandela tried to rationalize it like "ayyy we were never close to communists, we just used them for our gains" which seemed like an ex-post excuse to me for their failures

  • Aug 24, 2022
    SEGA GOON

    Later Mandela tried to rationalize it like "ayyy we were never close to communists, we just used them for our gains" which seemed like an ex-post excuse to me for their failures

    Haha yeah kinda sad he founded a whole ass communist militia in the 60s and then tried to say that late in his life

    Shows how capitalism and reformism (and 27 years in a f***ing prison cell I guess) can break people

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    SEGA GOON

    Click for NATO cringe:
    https://old.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense

    one of the rules is no politics

  • Aug 24, 2022
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    Womanpuncher69

    one of the rules is no politics

    Liberalism = no ideology, default settings

  • Aug 24, 2022
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    SEGA GOON

    Liberalism = no ideology, default settings

    many cases

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    SEGA GOON

    Liberalism = no ideology, default settings

  • Aug 24, 2022
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    krishna bound

    many cases

    Carl Shmitt really didn’t miss with the concept of the political

  • Aug 24, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    Carl Shmitt really didn’t miss with the concept of the political

    man had an abhorrent life but he was spittin in his writing

  • Aug 24, 2022
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    Wait i didn't know finland pm had a guy kissing her neck in the club tho isn't she married with children lmao

  • Aug 24, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    Wait i didn't know finland pm had a guy kissing her neck in the club tho isn't she married with children lmao

    !https://youtu.be/T3KvlSDgHx4

    Just say you hate women

  • Aug 24, 2022
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    Scratchin Mamba

    Wait i didn't know finland pm had a guy kissing her neck in the club tho isn't she married with children lmao

    !https://youtu.be/T3KvlSDgHx4

    this was the actual controversy btw but people tried to memoryhole it and change the narrative to "why do people hate women partying"

  • Aug 24, 2022
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    krishna bound

    this was the actual controversy btw but people tried to memoryhole it and change the narrative to "why do people hate women partying"

    Okay loser neocon tankie

  • Aug 24, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    Wait i didn't know finland pm had a guy kissing her neck in the club tho isn't she married with children lmao

    !https://youtu.be/T3KvlSDgHx4

    PM and a FREAK

  • Aug 24, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    Okay loser neocon tankie

    Leif is so annoying

  • Aug 24, 2022

    Li-bruh-ls when Boris Johnson parties: >:(

    Li-bruh-ls when Finland PM parties: ;)

  • Aug 24, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    Wait i didn't know finland pm had a guy kissing her neck in the club tho isn't she married with children lmao

    !https://youtu.be/T3KvlSDgHx4

    She rules tbh

  • Aug 24, 2022
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    @krishna_bound reading Carl Shcmitt and Mao politics of transition now just at the intro but he mentions how chinese scholars basically hated Mao i know why and such but i find a similar trend among other Chinese writers talking about how when they grew up before they learned about Mao on their own they mainly heard negative things about him, you know by chance how much Mao is still respected in the CPC or more influential positions in China or is he just held up as a figurehead

  • Aug 24, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    @krishna_bound reading Carl Shcmitt and Mao politics of transition now just at the intro but he mentions how chinese scholars basically hated Mao i know why and such but i find a similar trend among other Chinese writers talking about how when they grew up before they learned about Mao on their own they mainly heard negative things about him, you know by chance how much Mao is still respected in the CPC or more influential positions in China or is he just held up as a figurehead

    it's hard to say specifically esp. as a non-chinese speaker but afaik mao is seen definitely as an important figurehead, but you have to remember most of those in power atm were essentially those the cultural revolution intended to weed out and are now politically involved because of post-Deng moderization. afaik i know, he's seen as more of a historical figure than a thought leader. I think most in the CPC separate pre-Anti Rightist struggle and post-Anti Rightist struggle eras as well when discussing whether or not they have an affinity for him. It's definitely true though that most scholars and chinese politicians aren't keen on any politics from the Cultural Revolution era.

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    "Mao was 70 percent right, 30 percent wrong" -Deng Xiaoping

  • Aug 24, 2022
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    krishna bound

    "Mao was 70 percent right, 30 percent wrong" -Deng Xiaoping

    that’s what i thought on ur previous post

    always found this funny cause i read this account that deng said that but the propaganda that was pushed after was more like 30% right and 70% wrong with the media denouncing everything Mao basically did after the revolution

  • Aug 24, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    that’s what i thought on ur previous post

    always found this funny cause i read this account that deng said that but the propaganda that was pushed after was more like 30% right and 70% wrong with the media denouncing everything Mao basically did after the revolution

    Normal chinese ppl still love Mao for the most part

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    SEGA GOON

    Proletarian doesn't mean poor. That's why terms like the labor aristocracy exist. A lot of engineers, doctors or big law firm lawyers will be labor aristocrats. They can become petit bourgeois or landlords or rentiers through investments from their wages later on, of course.

    Professional accreditations are not capital, they just restrict supply of laborers in a profession and thus increase the wage prices given constant demand. Furthermore, a doctor or lawyer genuinely has years of training and education which increases their labor power. Would you let a beginner perform heart surgery on you? One hour of labor from a heart surgeon is simply worth more than one hour of untrained labor.

    Also, the idea that petit bourgeois are enemies of the revolution is silly to begin with, there are those who will side with the haute bourgeois and those who will side with the proletarians, just like with any class.

    yea figured out that whatever "property" intellectual skills fall under would constitute a fundamentally different social relation than the strict relation to the means of production. obviously accreditations that increase labor power is not capital.

    i also figured that what i meant by language issues could more accurately be assessed as "is it possible for there to be contradictory locations within class relations?"

    what do you think about the idea that the proletariat is the people that "have nothing but their labor power" ?

    and what about wage earners that receive a wage in excess of the value of their labor power? like top managers of a company etc

  • Aug 24, 2022

    Decided I’m gonna bring Behemoth by Franz Neumann instead of For Marx