You were what

This is pretty straightforward and accurate

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the socialism thread needs u to win if u lose ur not allowed to post here our reputation will be ruined

Oh definitely

I been in the gym 5 days a week since the beginning of the year I’ve been waiting for this

You cannot be real

Yeah when even contrarian shows like South Park & Family Guy are basically supporting the war you know there’s something up lol

I and everyone in kosovo grateful that they didn't die is real

Also why are you posting on holiday in London bro go to the Tate Modern or something

People in Kosovo are obviously grateful but that’s one side of the story ask people in Serbia how they feel about it. If your entire justification relies on being humanitarian you can’t ignore half the situation just cause you don’t like the country’s alignment

It was either bomb or genocide happens

Would love it if there was more nuance to it than that, but im afraid their probably wasn't. He'd already pulled it off twice, and previous ways to dissuade Milosevic had failed

While there is plenty of animosity in serbia for what happened, it's not enough for a large section of the population and political class to want to join the EU and move westward.

Fisher devotes a great section to this type of s*** in capitalist realism lol

“Chapter 7: …if you can watch the overlap of one reality with
another’: capitalist realism as dreamwork and
memory disorder”

‘Being realistic’ may once have meant coming to terms with of a reality experienced as solid and immovable. Capitalist realism, however, entails subordinating oneself to a reality that is infinitely plastic, capable of reconfiguring itself at any moment. We are confronted with what Jameson, in his essay ‘The Antimonies Of The Postmodern’, calls ‘a purely fungible present in which space and psyches alike can be processed and remade at will’. The ‘reality’ here is akin to the multiplicity of options available on a digital document, where no decision is final, revisions are always possible, and any previous moment can be recalled at any time. The middle manager I referred to above turned adaptation to this ‘fungible’ reality it into a fine art. He asserted with full confidence a story about the college and its future one day – what the implications of the inspection were likely to be; what senior management was thinking; then literally the next day would happily propound a story that directly contra- dicted what he previously said. There was never a question of his repudiating the previous story; it was as if he, only dimly remem- bered there ever being another story. This, I suppose, is ‘good management’. It is, also, perhaps the only way to stay healthy amidst capitalism’s perpetual instability. “

no one wants to excuse genocide of course, but all i'm saying is that you shouldn't confuse moral obligation and strategic interest just because both - in this case - would have led to a similar relative preferable result retroactively. NATO didn't intervene to stop a genocide. If the US cared about stopping genocide specifically rather than furthering interest, Africa and South Asia would like us a lot more Is it good a genocide was stopped? Yeah, of course. However the action wasn't taken for that reason and you shouldn't act like it was.

holy s***

I find the whole argument about stopping a genocide confusing too, there wasn't an ongoing genocide in 1999, if it was about that they should have intervened in 1995. It's easy to say you're preventing a genocide, you can say that in any armed ethnic conflict pretty much

my assumption is he's saying that retroactively we can now say we prevented a genocide which is also part of my point, no one intervened with the thought of stopping a genocide, they intervened because of geopolitics

Also the entire Rwanda thing

did not expect to see nore here lmfao

the african currency theory is probably cap tho, there were a lot more reasons france and qatar wanted him dead

HOLY MOLY GUACAMOLE GIVE IT UP FOR GADDAFI GODDAMMIT

It was one of the stated reasons in the Clinton emails

Thank god for those emails leaking frfr

We’re bombing schools to limit civilian casualties