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  • Sep 10, 2022
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    krishna bound

    I’m sympathetic to most communist causes (except like most western ones) but at the end of the day I think socialism works for a different reason than most people who identify as communist do
    I don’t really disagree with most underlying principals from Marx in terms of economics but the way I see it applied I think differentiates from most self-identified communists essentially
    I’ve mentioned it before but the existence of superstructural issues w/o base solutions I also think plays a large role in this thought process. I also question the nature of things like contradictions as opposed to natural phenomena.
    None of this is inherently dispelling of the ideology but group labels carry wider implications in any society and I live in the west, and the political action & policy ideals I subscribe to differentiate too much from the norm of said group for me to identify in that manner outwardly

    I feel like Maoism addresses your issues with base/superstructure

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    Sir Real

    I feel like Maoism addresses your issues with base/superstructure

    Why so

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Why so

    A large part of Maoism is the position that there is a degree of superstructural independence from the base that causes it to also impact and shape the base as opposed to the sort of one way understanding of “base creates superstructure” that more orthordox marxisms have. The base is still the more fundamental and dominant aspect, but the resulting ideology can and does become so strong that it in turn impacts how the base is organized to a degree, or at least how this organization is implemented. There are of course cultural factors that play into this too that don’t simply derive from the base’s resulting ideology. This is why we say there is a need for a cultural revolution - a “revolution within a revolution” following a period of revolutionizing the base.

    Hopefully that makes some sense, I’m hungover and not articulating this as well as I normally would

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    Sir Real

    A large part of Maoism is the position that there is a degree of superstructural independence from the base that causes it to also impact and shape the base as opposed to the sort of one way understanding of “base creates superstructure” that more orthordox marxisms have. The base is still the more fundamental and dominant aspect, but the resulting ideology can and does become so strong that it in turn impacts how the base is organized to a degree, or at least how this organization is implemented. There are of course cultural factors that play into this too that don’t simply derive from the base’s resulting ideology. This is why we say there is a need for a cultural revolution - a “revolution within a revolution” following a period of revolutionizing the base.

    Hopefully that makes some sense, I’m hungover and not articulating this as well as I normally would

    I see what you mean and agree with most of what you said. My own reading of Marx isn't that the base wholly determines the superstructure and I don't think most Marxists do either except some who are very dogmatic. Gramsci of course elaborated on the role of the superstructure a lot and MLs don't denounce him as "revisionist" for that. Maoism's theoretical contribution to the relation of the base and superstructure how I see it is mostly in how it should be dealt with in practice with cultural revolution, not necessarily that the superstructure is merely epiphenomenal to the base, I think that had alreadt been established earlier.

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    Scratchin Mamba

    I see what you mean and agree with most of what you said. My own reading of Marx isn't that the base wholly determines the superstructure and I don't think most Marxists do either except some who are very dogmatic. Gramsci of course elaborated on the role of the superstructure a lot and MLs don't denounce him as "revisionist" for that. Maoism's theoretical contribution to the relation of the base and superstructure how I see it is mostly in how it should be dealt with in practice with cultural revolution, not necessarily that the superstructure is merely epiphenomenal to the base, I think that had alreadt been established earlier.

    I agree that a correct reading of Marx lends itself to this interpretation, and that people like Gramsci got at a lot of this same stuff as well

    For a long time tho this wasn’t really something that the Marxist movement properly grappled with and it was considered “revisionist” to some degree. It may be true that most Marxists now acknowledge this, but Maoism emphasizes as a central and crucial point of a***ysis. Particularly because failure to grasp this was one of Stalin’s biggest errors and this amongst other things really opened the door for revisionism to take hold and become such a detrimental force in the USSR

  • Sep 10, 2022
    Sir Real

    I agree that a correct reading of Marx lends itself to this interpretation, and that people like Gramsci got at a lot of this same stuff as well

    For a long time tho this wasn’t really something that the Marxist movement properly grappled with and it was considered “revisionist” to some degree. It may be true that most Marxists now acknowledge this, but Maoism emphasizes as a central and crucial point of a***ysis. Particularly because failure to grasp this was one of Stalin’s biggest errors and this amongst other things really opened the door for revisionism to take hold and become such a detrimental force in the USSR

    Dialectical Materialism So Advanced It Is Indistinguishable From Magic

  • Sep 10, 2022
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    ngl Napoleon was hard as s***

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    SEGA GOON

    I dont think so

    I was watching this Netflix show narrated by Peter Dinklage on “tyrants” and the Stalin segment makes no attacks on Lenin. Even the tsar got flak but not lenin

  • Sep 10, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    ngl Napoleon was hard as s***

    Socialism thread when Chinese social imperialism : 😡

    Socialism thread when Napoleonic social imperialism: 😍😍

  • Sep 10, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    ngl Napoleon was hard as s***

    I dig it tho

  • Sep 10, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    ngl Napoleon was hard as s***

    Makes Haitian Revolution even more bad ass

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    Womanpuncher69

    ngl Napoleon was hard as s***

    Why

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    He did help end feudalism in much of europe but he was still a BOZO

  • Sep 10, 2022

    The civil war was more revolutionary than the American revolution

  • Sep 10, 2022

    Abe Lincoln was proto Kim Il-sung

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Why

    just as a central figure in that time period that influenced a s*** ton

  • Sep 10, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    just as a central figure in that time period that influenced a s*** ton

    Tru

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    americana

    I was watching this Netflix show narrated by Peter Dinklage on “tyrants” and the Stalin segment makes no attacks on Lenin. Even the tsar got flak but not lenin

    You are braver than me. I watched the trailer for that and was like

  • Sep 10, 2022
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    Sir Real

    You are braver than me. I watched the trailer for that and was like

    It was terrible

    Clips of Fidel Castro and spreading multiple lies about the CPC and the Bolshevik parties as wel

  • Sep 10, 2022
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    americana

    It was terrible

    Clips of Fidel Castro and spreading multiple lies about the CPC and the Bolshevik parties as wel

    What they say abt Fidel?

  • Sep 10, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    ngl Napoleon was hard as s***

    U on that Civ 5 high

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    Scratchin Mamba

    What they say abt Fidel?

    Didn’t see anything from what I watched

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    americana

    Didn’t see anything from what I watched

    What abt the Bolsheviks

  • Sep 10, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    What abt the Bolsheviks

    It was mostly Stalinist “edit the truth” and censoring party official names etc

  • Sep 10, 2022

    Only people I saw things on was hitler, Saddam, Idi Amin, and Gaddhafi