Oct 9, 2022·1 reply
kool2Dworkin famously labelled a SWERF right?
But anybody who doesn't think s***work is liberating for women gets that label
Dworkin has very complex politics and I think she's the most misunderstood feminist author in general. on a surface level if people don't want to read her work then yes she's a "SWERF" but the label is a misnomer. people also think she said "all s***is rape" which is not true and a massive intentional misunderstanding of her work which has damaged what should be an incredibly meaningful sociopolitical legacy within feminism
- Oct 9, 2022·1 replySEGA GOON
@Womanpuncher69 some political economy for you on this page
thx gonna read through it now
it’s interesting when u mention Value twofold nature in force and understanding Hegel describes force in the same way, just interesting seeing the influence
- Oct 9, 2022Womanpuncher69
thx gonna read through it now
it’s interesting when u mention Value twofold nature in force and understanding Hegel describes force in the same way, just interesting seeing the influence
Yeah I mention Hegel later too, it's a long post from a manuscript I wrote
Oct 9, 2022
- Oct 9, 2022·1 reply
What is social labor? by SEGA GOON
• Human labor is in principle always social labor, and has been so since the dawn of man. Labor is not only an interaction between humans and the outside world of nature, but also requires a social link between humans.
• Social labor does not need to be wage labor – this is just the form it takes under capitalism. However, all human labor is ultimately social labor.
• For example, a human who, as an infant, has never been taken care of, will presumably not even survive to become a teenager. Labor necessitates, by this fact alone, social interaction.
• The labor of an individual outcast into the wilderness is a very rare phenomenon and can only occur when this human is already civilized by society, for example, already was raised by a mother, or already acquired survival-knowledge from a tribe. Therefore, the seemingly asocial labor of the outcast has compounded social labor embedded within it (“it takes a village to raise a child”)
• Therefore, labor is, even when conducted by a single individual isolated from the rest of human community, by its very nature always social labor.
• What changes throughout the course of humanity is the mode in which this social labor is practiced – how humans divide labor, how they distribute the fruits of labor and so on.
- Oct 9, 2022SEGA GOON
What is social labor? by SEGA GOON
• Human labor is in principle always social labor, and has been so since the dawn of man. Labor is not only an interaction between humans and the outside world of nature, but also requires a social link between humans.
• Social labor does not need to be wage labor – this is just the form it takes under capitalism. However, all human labor is ultimately social labor.
• For example, a human who, as an infant, has never been taken care of, will presumably not even survive to become a teenager. Labor necessitates, by this fact alone, social interaction.
• The labor of an individual outcast into the wilderness is a very rare phenomenon and can only occur when this human is already civilized by society, for example, already was raised by a mother, or already acquired survival-knowledge from a tribe. Therefore, the seemingly asocial labor of the outcast has compounded social labor embedded within it (“it takes a village to raise a child”)
• Therefore, labor is, even when conducted by a single individual isolated from the rest of human community, by its very nature always social labor.
• What changes throughout the course of humanity is the mode in which this social labor is practiced – how humans divide labor, how they distribute the fruits of labor and so on.
This destroys the anarcho-primitivists and Kacynskyites
- Oct 9, 2022·1 replykrishna bound
Dworkin has very complex politics and I think she's the most misunderstood feminist author in general. on a surface level if people don't want to read her work then yes she's a "SWERF" but the label is a misnomer. people also think she said "all s***is rape" which is not true and a massive intentional misunderstanding of her work which has damaged what should be an incredibly meaningful sociopolitical legacy within feminism
Heard about her from this Iraqi former s***worker I followed who posted a lot about exiting the industry and the irreparable harm it caused her. Found it really compelling
Then she took this massive turn into denouncing 'gender ideology' as evil and making fun of pronouns
twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1545049920574332930?s=20&t=eVXpbmYFubcC5BuDYdswZA
- Oct 9, 2022·1 replySEGA GOON
Social fascist
Revisionist
Economist
Tailist
Mechanistic'philistine opportunist' clears them all i'm afraid
- Oct 9, 2022·1 replySEGA GOON
The ugliest goblin looking b**** denied me today because I wasnt pretty enuff while this really good looking broad said she wants to meet me i jordanlaffed irl
delete this and dont let me catch you talking like this again
- Oct 9, 2022·1 replykool2
delete this and dont let me catch you talking like this again
Nope
- Oct 9, 2022
ON THE NATIONAL QUESTION
• Capitalism has been a world-system for decades. Socialism can only survive if it too upholds its own world-system and supplants the capitalist world-system
• Just as capitalists rely on imperialism and the “opening” of new markets to offset their falling rates of profits, socialists must rely on worldwide revolutions and agitation to expand the proletariat’s economic and political strength – it is a null-sum game, so that peaceful co-existence between the bourgeois-led and the proletarian-led countries is not possible in the long-term
• Capitalists have international class solidarity amongst themselves while pushing the proletariat into nationalist and chauvinist disputes – they divide and conquer
• Proletarians must realize they have more in common with workers of foreign countries than with the ultrarich of their own country and push for worldwide class solidarity
• Nation-states are a modern invention; people confuse the love for their culture, language, history, neighborhood, city and family for the love for the “nation” – the nation is a political category, an abstraction and on its own a rather meaningless term
• It is not wrong to be proud of own’s country and engage in national rituals; however, the class-war always ranks higher than the nation-war, and must be the first priority of every socialist.
• Class is the primary contradiction, not nation. An attempt to have a revolution of national self-determination and then hope to later complete a second revolution for socialism is very dangerous. True self-determination of the masses is only possible under socialism, so the political freedom after purely nationalist self-determination might be low.
• Socialism must be built worldwide through a supranational movement that has deep economic co-operation; this efficient and wide-reaching co-operation will be the material basis for nation-states to gradually disappear around the world
- Oct 9, 2022kool2
'philistine opportunist' clears them all i'm afraid
also Renegade
- Oct 9, 2022·1 reply
REVOLUTION OR REFORM?
• Capitalism cannot be reformed into socialism. Socialism can only be born out of a revolution, in which the proletariat forcefully imposes its will onto the bourgeoisie.
• However, revolutions can take different forms. A revolution can be a rapidly unfolding event, but a revolution can also be a gradual event. A rapid revolution is vastly preferable over a gradual revolution.
• In the periphery, revolutions will presumably be rapid. In the semi-periphery, revolutions will presumably either be rapid or gradual. In the imperial core, revolutions are highly unlikely as of now.
• A gradual revolution is more likely to succeed if:
1. Land is nationalized; or: 100% taxation of land
2. Finance is nationalized
3. Military, intelligence and police are controlled
4. Money-to-labor voucher transition occurs
5. The judiciary and other political structures are slowly taken over.If market socialism is necessary, it should only be a transitional method.
• Even a rapid revolution takes years, if not decades of preparation. The revolution is only a final act in a long chain of events, and the same time a new beginning that will bear the birthmarks of the old society.
• A revolution can occur in random moments, but it can only be steered into the direction of socialism if a proper movement is already in place. It is too late to start organizing once revolutionary fervor already spreads, let alone post-revolution.
• Reforms are useful for the movement. With reforms, the communists can win the trust of the people, increase class consciousness and spread their name.
• Rejecting reforms in order to promote accelerationist goals is counter-productive. Reforms alone do not decrease revolutionary pressure.
• However, minimum goals of reform must always be combined with maximum goals of revolution. Reforms without revolutionary struggle is counter-productive, revolutionary struggle without engaging in reforms is counter-productive. Reform and revolution are not dichotomies. They must co-exist with each other; they are two sides of the same class struggle. The vanguard must combine both methods.
- Oct 9, 2022·1 replySEGA GOON
Nope
Srs very disturbing way to speak about women, especially a woman it sounds like curved you. Socialists gotta hold themselves to higher standards
- Oct 9, 2022·2 replieskool2
Srs very disturbing way to speak about women, especially a woman it sounds like curved you. Socialists gotta hold themselves to higher standards
Wtf is disturbing about it lmao
- Oct 9, 2022·1 replykool2
Heard about her from this Iraqi former s***worker I followed who posted a lot about exiting the industry and the irreparable harm it caused her. Found it really compelling
Then she took this massive turn into denouncing 'gender ideology' as evil and making fun of pronouns
https://twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1545049920574332930?s=20&t=eVXpbmYFubcC5BuDYdswZA
dworkin was way before any of that stuff was in the culture war. she was primarily active in the 70s & 80s during like when the roots of modern feminist thinking was being formed. i personally think her stuff is worth reading, while ofc she isn't right about literally everything there's a lot of value in her writing and in many of the points she makes.
- Oct 9, 2022·1 replySEGA GOON
Wtf is disturbing about it lmao
I don't speak about any women like that especially not a woman I was trying to flirt with. Leave the loser talk to the right
- Oct 9, 2022·1 replykool2
I don't speak about any women like that especially not a woman I was trying to flirt with. Leave the loser talk to the right
That's not loser talk I literally said I got another date lined up
- Oct 9, 2022·1 replySEGA GOON
That's not loser talk I literally said I got another date lined up
Degrading any woman, let alone one who curved you, is loser behaviour. Need you to rep better than that please comrade (srs)
- Oct 9, 2022krishna bound
dworkin was way before any of that stuff was in the culture war. she was primarily active in the 70s & 80s during like when the roots of modern feminist thinking was being formed. i personally think her stuff is worth reading, while ofc she isn't right about literally everything there's a lot of value in her writing and in many of the points she makes.
2nd wave feminism was lioned im afraid
- Oct 9, 2022kool2
Degrading any woman, let alone one who curved you, is loser behaviour. Need you to rep better than that please comrade (srs)
I was cordial to her of course and wished her luck, I was laughing at home and not in front of her
Oct 9, 2022·1 replySEGA GOON• Value can mean the “use value”. It is how useful the good is a to a human being. This is rather subjective and difficult, if not impossible to quantify.
• Value can mean the “exchange value”. It is the rate at which the good can be exchanged for another good.
• A commodity is a good that is, or in the future will be, exchanged. It has both a use value (otherwise nobody will want to exchange for it, since it would be useless), and an exchange value.
• There are goods that have no exchange value: For example, if a mother bakes a cake for her children from dough, the cake itself is not baked for the purpose of exchanging it for another commodity. The cake is purely made for consumption within the family. Therefore, the cake has no exchange value, but it does have a use value. The cake is not a commodity in this case.
• All commodities are goods, but not all goods are commodities, since not all goods are made for the intent of exchange. In a hunter-gatherer society where no trade exists, no commodities would exist – everything is made for personal consumption. However, in capitalism, most things are made not for immediate personal consumption, but for trade. Under capitalism, most goods indeed are commodities, since most goods are produced for the intent of exchanging it on a market. Capitalism is the mode of production where commodity production has reached its thus-far historical peak.
• While the distinction between “use value” and “exchange value” is important to understand which goods are commodities and which goods are not, this distinction should not be overemphasized: When we speak of capitalism, we must speak of commodities first and foremost, since these are the most common forms of goods. When we speak of value in capitalism, we are therefore speaking of the value of commodities. But: It would be wrong to split up the “value” of a commodity into exchange-value and use-value. The value of commodities is always both. If it has no use-value, it cannot be a commodity. If it has no exchange-value, it cannot be a commodity. The value of commodities is a unitary concept, not a dualistic one. The value of commodities is always both use-value and exchange-value combined.
• “Value” under capitalism expresses the relation between the commodity as a “thing” on the one hand and between human beings on the other. If all humans died from one day to the other, how could a Ferrari have any value? If all humans disappeared from one day to the next, all former commodities of the world would now just be mere objects, without any value whatsoever. For commodities to have any value, humans must exist. For value to have any meaning, goods and commodities must exist. Value is part of both the exterior world of objects and in the interior world of minds, both in the world of objects and in the world of humans, always these two sides at once: Value is a unitary concept.
• Value is what expresses the connection between humans and objects – the exchange-value being the social connection, the use value being the private connection we humans have towards these things, or, in the case of capitalism, towards these commodities.
• The exchange-value determines how the commodity-as-an-object forms a social relationship amongst individuals; the use-value determines the relationship between the subjectivity of the inside world of human desires and the physicality of the outside world of objects.
• Value is neither based purely on the extrinsic nature of a commodity (such as: the amount of other commodities you can exchange your commodity for), nor is it based purely on the intrinsic nature of a commodity (such as: how much energy or time it took to produce this commodity). Value has both an extrinsic and an intrinsic moment. The value of commodities is of course a social relation (since a commodity must by definition exist for the intent of trade), but it also has a natural component to it (the energy, the time needed on average and so on).
• Value is how society considers the material commodity. However, society and commodity are always bound by the laws of nature, such as the laws of energy, physics, chemistry, geology or the laws of time, aging and mortality. Therefore, just as much as society shapes its relation to the commodity, the commodity’s outside circumstances shape their relation to society as well.
• Therefore, in capitalism, a material product of concrete human labor acquires social character through value. Value is then the objective social process that gives the material product of concrete human labor the dimension of sociality, transforming it from a mere object to a commodity.
• Value can therefore be described as a social algorithm.
Saying “but” with a colon after it to start a sentence is such a just letting your nuts hang move
- Oct 9, 2022kool2
Dworkin famously labelled a SWERF right?
But anybody who doesn't think s***work is liberating for women gets that label
Dworkin sucks for a lot of reasons but her being a “SWERF” is not one of them
- Oct 9, 2022
man’s making me read more than my classes
- Oct 9, 2022·1 replySir Real
Saying “but” with a colon after it to start a sentence is such a just letting your nuts hang move
English is not my native tongue so excuse any quirks