Bbs deserve props & respect this is facts of life !!! My grandfather made sure I knew 🐐🐐🐐

You're right

I should've discarded Quincy jones as a credible source when he claimed mj didn't have vitiligo when the autopsy clearly showed he did

I thought that with music he wouldn't talk out of his neck though and you proved me wrong,

ty fr

yeah imo he is oversimplifying them a bit just my opinion though and i think i like the beatles a lot more than him

@Ithaka and I have basically opposite opinions on what I think is the beatles best album (White) and im sure we could argue back and forth about a ton of s*** about them

BB vs Beatles debates are always top notch

way better than whenever there's a mj prince debate or elton billy joel one

atleast the beatles debates make some sense and are somewhat legitimate

the bbs are over simplified every day and narrowed down to pet sounds but i oversimplify beatles once and it’s ppl saying they can’t f*** with beatles hate and that im doing too much

i feel like Quincy Jones was just having a lot of fun and trying to f*** with people saying crazy s*** (and some senility probably)

he said he saw Ray Charles have someone inject heroin into his testicles

Yeaaaah
Seems like y'all's beef with the Beatles isn't music related but more so image related and how bbs should be remembered as fondly if not more than the Beatles....

paul has shooters around the globe

MACCA

literally one of the first post itt is IN BUT BEATLES ARE BETTER

fr tbh

worst BB's take i've ever heard was someone saying kokomo was their best track

that’s such a casual take haha

@DonutHole still wanna do a session of so tough

im dead

how u just casually just say that?

Bbs legacy got f***ed by steering further and further into commercial oblivion along with Brian's mental state in the late 60s and well into the 70s. Outside of Sail on Sailor they never really got a commercial footing during that time and their critical legacy was tarnished. Then they regained attention with Mike Love's Kokomo and that was that.

The shame of it is that those late 60s through 70s albums were actually full of gems and didn't deserve the disdain they received. History has shined on them, thankfully, and with hindsight and a full version of Smile it's easier to appreciate their vision.

Paul McCartney's early solo years and the stuff with Wings is pretty similar that way. Critics HATED that s*** back in the day but now it's beginning to click how great and important it was to independent songwriters.

But, unlike the Beach Boys, he found his way back to commercial favor with Band on the Run and that turned things around. The solo Beatles (and the Traveling Wilburys) contributed positively to the mainstream legacy of the band and the band itself never fell off, so it's easy to lift the whole discography up on a pedestal rather than sort through everything the way Beach Boys fans cherish their favorite band. Critics will never do that.

Both amazing acts with a ton to offer, but one is a lot more visible and easier to sell than the other. History reveals the value of music that doesn't try to be perfect.

Being a musical genius doesn't help much with packaging music to be consumed

Some know how to do the latter better and the general public judged popstars on entertainment more than musical abilities anyways

there are plenty of talented singers/songwriters/musicians sitting in music conservatories/acamedies as we speak

Ie:prodigies who play beethhoven at age 7

But could they craft a hit song or a classic album ahead of its time? Are they marketable?

Alot goes into being a popstar especially one that is remembered fondly - I really think that being a genius isn't high on that list for the casual music listener...

Sure!

just read the first page, 85% of it has me crying

Like this status when playing @DonutHole

If I were related to Ray Charles I'd have someone put hands on that old man
Idc if it's true or not don't talk bout my grand-pops balls

He gotta go push him straight out his wheelchair and take his old man hat too!

The Beach Boys are great American music.