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rollingstone.com/music/music-latin/bad-bunny-karol-g-daddy-yankee-want-reggaeton-lawsuit-tossed-1234773891

nbcnews.com/news/latino/daddy-yankee-retires-reggaeton-devote-to-christ-faith-rcna127991

Would be crazy if they win.

Steely & Clevie’s 228-page complaint, the first version of which was filed in 2021, had traced the trajectory through which nearly all of Reggaeton allegedly appropriated elements from derivative versions of the original Fish Market. It started with the fact that Shabba Ranks‘ Dem Bow (1990), produced by the late Bobby ‘Digital’ Dixon, had used the Fish Market beat from Jamaican vocalist Gregory Peck’s Poco Man Jam, one of the 1989 tracks on Steely & Clevie’s original riddim.

In 1990, after the success of Shabba’s song, Denis Halliburton, aka “Dennis the Menace,” created the Pounder riddim — a remake of Dem Bow’s instrumental, which was then used to record a Spanish language cover version of the song, titled Ellos Benia — and an instrumental mix called Pounder Dub Mix II.

Being able to retire while having made the greatest song in your genre must be a nice feeling.

Owning a drum groove is so f***ing stupid

The 1,700 songs at issue in the lawsuit were released between 1995 and 2021.

They include Drake’s One Dance with Wizkid and Kyla; Drake and Bad Bunny’s Mía; Luis Fonsi’s Despacito Remix with Justin Bieber and Daddy Yankee and his Échame La Culpa with Demi Lovato; El Chombo’s Dame Tu Cosita with Cutty Ranks; Daddy Yankee’s Dura, Rompe, Gasoline and Shaky Shaky; DJ Snake’s Taki Taki with Selena Gomez, Ozuna, Cardi B; Pitbull’s We Are One (Ole Ola); and more.

crazy bag if they win, but will probably go nowhere

anti-artists looking for one last paycheck before riding off into the sunset go f*** yourself

A lot of songs use the sample directly though. Shouldnt own a groove but you can own your drum programming

i cant stand that sample

Yeah he’s doing some heavy reaching

The programming? Unless they have direct midi it's an interpolated drum groove. Next people are going to be suing over drum fills lmao. Direct samples like audio is a different story altogether

Hope reggaeton wins

btw a reggaeton artist going full on "christian" aint new lmao. Farruko, Almighty... and more have done it lol

Wow Iistened to the song in OP and it wasn’t even what I thought was

There was another old dub song I heard with the same groove, but isolated the drums making them easy to sample and the snare sounded exactly like the classic reggaeton drum

This case is dumb, although I hope reggaeton artists do take time to acknowledge the dub culture that the sound was built off of (and I’m not saying they don’t, I just dont know because I don’t follow them like that)

history! whatever comes of this, Jamaicans know where a lot of other cultures get the sauce from and don't mind sharing it

U not wavy like that

The WK Records and Bad Bunny defendants urged the court to dismiss the case, contending that no reasonable jury could find the 1,700 songs substantially similar to Steely & Clevie’s “old and obscure” Fish Market.

Meanwhile, the third motion to dismiss was filed by Luis Fonsi, Justin Bieber, Daddy Yankee, Pitbull, Rauw Alejandro, El Chombo, Jason Derulo, Enrique Iglesias, Ricky Martin, Stefflon Don, and 79 other defendants, who are represented by Pryor Cashman LLP.

Defendants, who are not represented by Pryor Cashman LLP, have co-signed the law firm’s motion to dismiss.

• Drake, and Sound 1.0 Catalogue LP (improperly sued as OVO Sound LLC)
• DJ Snake and Empire Distribution, Inc
• Cinq Music Group, LLC and Cinq Music Publishing, LLC
• Rich Music, Inc.
• DJ Nelson and Jay Wheeler

They argued that Steely & Clevie were trying to obtain “ownership of an entire genre of music by claiming exclusive rights to the rhythm and other unprotectable musical elements common to all “reggaeton”-style songs.”

They also said the lawsuit should be dismissed for numerous procedural reasons, including the claim that Steely & Clevie do not have standing to assert infringement claims for any of the allegedly derivative instrumentals based on the Fish Market.

you can't sue over a drum pattern. this wont work.

if you dig hard enough, im very sure you can find a jazz record with a similar groove in there.

Footwork / juke for example has a very distinct triplet drum pattern, but that drum pattern can also be heard in house and electro records from the 80s. you dont see house producers going after footwork artists now do you ?

You absolutely can sue over drum patterns bro

yea

Wtf

if the patterns are 1 to 1. drums, percusion, bass, etc. aka a sample.

most of the records being brought up in question do not sample 1 to 1.
the only resemblance is the literal pattern of the drums. thats like trying to sue over the use of the 4 on the floor kick pattern.

Gonna have to hear this at lunch...