Mar 17, 2020·2 repliesGuys, I'm gonna go deep into my theory of Act 2 and this is just my opinion. I'm nerding out and apologize.
I actually think someone told Jay Elect "No" on Act 2 and/or certain concepts for the album were not able to be completed because he couldn't put the features and concept together in a timely way that he idealized it in his head and it frustrated him. Maybe that "No" was to a lot of sample clearances.
He kinda has delusions of grandeur which I love. Its why historic speeches introduce him, etc.
Here is an example of him saying David Bowie sings on Act 2, David Bowie denying it, and Jay Elect deleting his tweet:
nme.com/news/music/david-bowie-314-1285956
Reality was that "Run & Hide" has a David Bowie sample. Was the sample ever cleared? Could some of these samples just not be cleared? "Run and Hide" never appears on anything officially.
Serge Gainsbourg is on Act 2 in a few spots. Shiny Suit is on the new album. Why not have the full Shiny Suit on "A Written Testimony" with the Serge orchestra if you're going to include it after all this time?
On Act 2, there's a song called "Bonnie and Clyde" Feat. Serge Gainsbourg
It likely samples this:
This backing track on this is Serge Gainsbourg "Valse De Melody." Was this not able to be cleared for "A Written Testimony"?
So now we know of 3 separate songs where Serge is supposed to appear but it just didn't come.
Did Kanye ever actually lay down verses on "New Illuminati" and "Rough Love" or was that Jay Elect projecting what he wanted to happen? "Road to Perdition" is not really a Hov feature. "Run and Hide" is not a David Bowie feature either. The time Ye and Jay Elect were documented to have collaborated was way after the Act 2 tracklist in London during "Cruel Summer" sessions. Pusha T and Frank Ocean were there too apparently.
pitchfork.com/news/45138-frank-ocean-jay-electronica-pusha-t-on-kanye-wests-good-music-album
To me, something just went wrong with the original Act 2 but I think he believes in that album. Jay Elect does strike me as a stubborn ass dude when his vision was just not going to be able to be completed and he just sat on it. I can imagine it being disheartening man. I think he was Kanye level blending resources, samples, and production to make the original Act 2.
It's interesting too. The most pivotal moment of Jay Elect's career to me is when he released "Call of Duty" with Mobb Deep produced by Young Guru. This song was marketed and built up with a big drop. It has nothing to do with Act 2 and I never understood the reason for it. The build up for it in a small way reminded me of "A Written Testimony." Guru was tweeting it and updating everyone. They were making it into a moment and it seems like the song was made on the fly. Idk if that song was Jay Elect's idea is what I'm saying and it doesn't sound anything remotely like Act 2 material even though I like it for what it is. But idk I feel like things shifted after that in terms of his approach. Before that he had given us "The Announcement" (one of my favorite songs) and "Shiny Suit" a few weeks after.
Less than a year after that he shares the Act 2 tracklist. Why not release one of those songs instead of "Call of Duty"?
Then you get Better in Tune and Letter to Falon years later when the original Act 2 is dead. But I think that project was his baby and it probably hurt him that it couldn't be realized. Blaze said the original Falon song has a different beat.
Just an interesting tale that never will make total sense to me because no one candidly discusses what happened? I really love "A Written Testimony" and I am really happy he put it out and that he's getting love.
Mar 17, 2020This s*** is garbage!
Mar 17, 2020Palestinian OoziGuys, I'm gonna go deep into my theory of Act 2 and this is just my opinion. I'm nerding out and apologize.
I actually think someone told Jay Elect "No" on Act 2 and/or certain concepts for the album were not able to be completed because he couldn't put the features and concept together in a timely way that he idealized it in his head and it frustrated him. Maybe that "No" was to a lot of sample clearances.
He kinda has delusions of grandeur which I love. Its why historic speeches introduce him, etc.
Here is an example of him saying David Bowie sings on Act 2, David Bowie denying it, and Jay Elect deleting his tweet:
https://www.nme.com/news/music/david-bowie-314-1285956
Reality was that "Run & Hide" has a David Bowie sample. Was the sample ever cleared? Could some of these samples just not be cleared? "Run and Hide" never appears on anything officially.
Serge Gainsbourg is on Act 2 in a few spots. Shiny Suit is on the new album. Why not have the full Shiny Suit on "A Written Testimony" with the Serge orchestra if you're going to include it after all this time?
On Act 2, there's a song called "Bonnie and Clyde" Feat. Serge Gainsbourg
It likely samples this:
!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v66HiF91gjQThis backing track on this is Serge Gainsbourg "Valse De Melody." Was this not able to be cleared for "A Written Testimony"?
!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Objd3JqmbdcSo now we know of 3 separate songs where Serge is supposed to appear but it just didn't come.
Did Kanye ever actually lay down verses on "New Illuminati" and "Rough Love" or was that Jay Elect projecting what he wanted to happen? "Road to Perdition" is not really a Hov feature. "Run and Hide" is not a David Bowie feature either. The time Ye and Jay Elect were documented to have collaborated was way after the Act 2 tracklist in London during "Cruel Summer" sessions. Pusha T and Frank Ocean were there too apparently.
https://pitchfork.com/news/45138-frank-ocean-jay-electronica-pusha-t-on-kanye-wests-good-music-album/
To me, something just went wrong with the original Act 2 but I think he believes in that album. Jay Elect does strike me as a stubborn ass dude when his vision was just not going to be able to be completed and he just sat on it. I can imagine it being disheartening man. I think he was Kanye level blending resources, samples, and production to make the original Act 2.
It's interesting too. The most pivotal moment of Jay Elect's career to me is when he released "Call of Duty" with Mobb Deep produced by Young Guru. This song was marketed and built up with a big drop. It has nothing to do with Act 2 and I never understood the reason for it. The build up for it in a small way reminded me of "A Written Testimony." Guru was tweeting it and updating everyone. They were making it into a moment and it seems like the song was made on the fly. Idk if that song was Jay Elect's idea is what I'm saying and it doesn't sound anything remotely like Act 2 material even though I like it for what it is. But idk I feel like things shifted after that in terms of his approach. Before that he had given us "The Announcement" (one of my favorite songs) and "Shiny Suit" a few weeks after.
Less than a year after that he shares the Act 2 tracklist. Why not release one of those songs instead of "Call of Duty"?
Then you get Better in Tune and Letter to Falon years later when the original Act 2 is dead. But I think that project was his baby and it probably hurt him that it couldn't be realized. Blaze said the original Falon song has a different beat.
Just an interesting tale that never will make total sense to me because no one candidly discusses what happened? I really love "A Written Testimony" and I am really happy he put it out and that he's getting love.
Yeah but the counter to this are people like Just Blaze saying he even now still has it on his phone. I think it’s done. However the sample clearance point definitely makes sense but this is Hov and Roc we’re talking about, i’m sure he would have little issue to be honest. I have no doubt those Ye and Puff tracks on Act 2 are real. I think Jay just was never really ready and he kinda said as much putting out better in tune in 2014
If one would open up truth, such as the truth of God to the people, I do think that He's within his rights to stay out of the sight of the people until He has won everything to Himself; as the Bible refers to it like this: He's something like a king looking for a kingdom. And that He goes and he visits the people, then He leaves the people, goes away and waits until the time when that He can secure the kingdom. Then He returns to the people that He had made Himself manifest to. So I think that's a pretty good answer
- Mar 17, 2020·1 reply
Also Jay himself kinda acknowledges it in a profound way on Ezekiel’s Wheel
Some ask me "Jay, man, why come for so many years you been exempt?"
'Cause familiarity don't breed gratitude, just contempt
And the price of sanity is too damn high, just like the rent
Mm-mm-mm, mm-mm-mm, uh, uh
Sometimes I was held down by the gravity of my pen (Pen)
Sometimes I was held down by the gravity of my sin (Sin)
Sometimes, like Santiago, at crucial points of my novel
My only logical option was to transform into the wind - Mar 17, 2020·1 replysfsorrow
Also Jay himself kinda acknowledges it in a profound way on Ezekiel’s Wheel
Some ask me "Jay, man, why come for so many years you been exempt?"
'Cause familiarity don't breed gratitude, just contempt
And the price of sanity is too damn high, just like the rent
Mm-mm-mm, mm-mm-mm, uh, uh
Sometimes I was held down by the gravity of my pen (Pen)
Sometimes I was held down by the gravity of my sin (Sin)
Sometimes, like Santiago, at crucial points of my novel
My only logical option was to transform into the windI def agree that confidence / perfectionism was a factor. But what caused the confidence drop? He was def confident when he dropped Jazzmatazz and the Announcement
Also idk if just Blaze’s act 2 is the same. Just Blaze was heavily involved in the Christmas Day version before roc nation was in the pic and said they’re waiting on a Nas feature if I remember correctly. Since roc nation, for whatever reason, he just doesn’t seem involved. It’s just all interesting to me man.
- Mar 17, 2020Palestinian Oozi
I def agree that confidence / perfectionism was a factor. But what caused the confidence drop? He was def confident when he dropped Jazzmatazz and the Announcement
Also idk if just Blaze’s act 2 is the same. Just Blaze was heavily involved in the Christmas Day version before roc nation was in the pic and said they’re waiting on a Nas feature if I remember correctly. Since roc nation, for whatever reason, he just doesn’t seem involved. It’s just all interesting to me man.
I definitely agree. Jay is just a mythical figure to me at this point. Seeing him live he was such a down to earth, hilarious, powerful person and in stories and s*** he’s literally all over the world doing insane s***. Maybe one day we’ll get a documentary about it
Blaze did tweet abt the album and recently even said he still had Act 2 on his phone a few days ago. Doesn’t seem to be bad blood at all
Mar 17, 2020
Thugger@Fahim
!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjxjJsYeXrw
i havent tuned into hot97 for a long time, when did Rosenberg turn into such a f***ing p****. Like everytime he speaks hes whining about something.
Ebro told him what it meant and he still went on with his rant twisting jay lyric to mean all jews, he too stubborn to admit he was wrong
- Mar 17, 2020·1 replyUhoh
Way better than i expected
Honestly just what i had been waiting for all these years
Somhow hov adds to it too
Best album of the past couple years
Love what uzis dropped but cant stop listening to this at all
I remember when u say JIK was better
Mar 17, 2020The production on the opening track is absolutely spellbinding. Like this is on par with some multi-million dollar cinematic movie scores fam. S*** set the tone beautifully, get chills everything I hear those strings erupt.
- Mar 17, 2020·2 repliesPalestinian Oozi
Guys, I'm gonna go deep into my theory of Act 2 and this is just my opinion. I'm nerding out and apologize.
I actually think someone told Jay Elect "No" on Act 2 and/or certain concepts for the album were not able to be completed because he couldn't put the features and concept together in a timely way that he idealized it in his head and it frustrated him. Maybe that "No" was to a lot of sample clearances.
He kinda has delusions of grandeur which I love. Its why historic speeches introduce him, etc.
Here is an example of him saying David Bowie sings on Act 2, David Bowie denying it, and Jay Elect deleting his tweet:
https://www.nme.com/news/music/david-bowie-314-1285956
Reality was that "Run & Hide" has a David Bowie sample. Was the sample ever cleared? Could some of these samples just not be cleared? "Run and Hide" never appears on anything officially.
Serge Gainsbourg is on Act 2 in a few spots. Shiny Suit is on the new album. Why not have the full Shiny Suit on "A Written Testimony" with the Serge orchestra if you're going to include it after all this time?
On Act 2, there's a song called "Bonnie and Clyde" Feat. Serge Gainsbourg
It likely samples this:
!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v66HiF91gjQThis backing track on this is Serge Gainsbourg "Valse De Melody." Was this not able to be cleared for "A Written Testimony"?
!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Objd3JqmbdcSo now we know of 3 separate songs where Serge is supposed to appear but it just didn't come.
Did Kanye ever actually lay down verses on "New Illuminati" and "Rough Love" or was that Jay Elect projecting what he wanted to happen? "Road to Perdition" is not really a Hov feature. "Run and Hide" is not a David Bowie feature either. The time Ye and Jay Elect were documented to have collaborated was way after the Act 2 tracklist in London during "Cruel Summer" sessions. Pusha T and Frank Ocean were there too apparently.
https://pitchfork.com/news/45138-frank-ocean-jay-electronica-pusha-t-on-kanye-wests-good-music-album/
To me, something just went wrong with the original Act 2 but I think he believes in that album. Jay Elect does strike me as a stubborn ass dude when his vision was just not going to be able to be completed and he just sat on it. I can imagine it being disheartening man. I think he was Kanye level blending resources, samples, and production to make the original Act 2.
It's interesting too. The most pivotal moment of Jay Elect's career to me is when he released "Call of Duty" with Mobb Deep produced by Young Guru. This song was marketed and built up with a big drop. It has nothing to do with Act 2 and I never understood the reason for it. The build up for it in a small way reminded me of "A Written Testimony." Guru was tweeting it and updating everyone. They were making it into a moment and it seems like the song was made on the fly. Idk if that song was Jay Elect's idea is what I'm saying and it doesn't sound anything remotely like Act 2 material even though I like it for what it is. But idk I feel like things shifted after that in terms of his approach. Before that he had given us "The Announcement" (one of my favorite songs) and "Shiny Suit" a few weeks after.
Less than a year after that he shares the Act 2 tracklist. Why not release one of those songs instead of "Call of Duty"?
Then you get Better in Tune and Letter to Falon years later when the original Act 2 is dead. But I think that project was his baby and it probably hurt him that it couldn't be realized. Blaze said the original Falon song has a different beat.
Just an interesting tale that never will make total sense to me because no one candidly discusses what happened? I really love "A Written Testimony" and I am really happy he put it out and that he's getting love.
This is eerily similar to Jai Paul having sample clearance for his debut album that eventually got leaked. These guys are just on a different level of creativity and vision. I hope Jay E feels the love from this project and is ready to get his career popping. This cat is way too lyrical and talented to only give us 1 project.
Mar 17, 2020·1 replyDelejaynA lot of these songs are old. Really old. I’m surprised to be honest.
How you know? Ofc besides Shiny Suit
- Mar 17, 2020·1 replyBuryly
How you know? Ofc besides Shiny Suit
Bun b spoke about Ezekial aging well from hearing it earlier in the decade
There was a live where jay played the intro and ghost of Soulja slim (this one not in full)
Mar 17, 2020·1 replyHas Diddy reacted to the album yet? He sent a text every hour on the dot after all
- Mar 17, 2020·1 replyDelejayn
Bun b spoke about Ezekial aging well from hearing it earlier in the decade
There was a live where jay played the intro and ghost of Soulja slim (this one not in full)
Interesting s***, I’m guessing most of these songs were meant for Act 2. Ngl I don’t think any of them have that “dated” sound to me unlike most songs from that time period
Mar 17, 2020
viscerastill working on it. will try to get it out by tonight sometime if they dont call me into work today lmfao
When you get a chance to finish you think I could take a look?
- Mar 17, 2020Oblivion X
I remember when u say JIK was better
Mar 17, 2020·1 reply
Fahim
We’re really about to give him a pass on that second verse?
- OPMar 17, 2020Fahim
Yes
- Mar 17, 2020·1 reply
Realized APIDTA is in an odd time signature( 10/4). I’ve Never heard that in hip hop before.
Mar 17, 2020·3 repliesCampariThis is eerily similar to Jai Paul having sample clearance for his debut album that eventually got leaked. These guys are just on a different level of creativity and vision. I hope Jay E feels the love from this project and is ready to get his career popping. This cat is way too lyrical and talented to only give us 1 project.
He could easily drop something like this twice a year
- Mar 17, 2020·1 replyBuryly
Interesting s***, I’m guessing most of these songs were meant for Act 2. Ngl I don’t think any of them have that “dated” sound to me unlike most songs from that time period
Because quality hip hop is timeless
Nobody gonna give a s*** about Uzis albums 5 years from now
Mar 17, 2020PhillyvEverybodyBecause quality hip hop is timeless
Nobody gonna give a s*** about Uzis albums 5 years from now
Facts
Mar 17, 2020
NotmyfirstI’m a fan of Mike but been slacking on checking out the others for a while
check out the playlists / list in op 😉 not gon lie that first playlist is my masterpiece.
ktt2.com/slums-thread-mike-ade-hakim-navy-blue-pink-siifu-sotc-mavi-508If you haven't heard Mavi yet you're in for a treat...
Seriously a GOAT in the making. - Mar 17, 2020
lgppl disappointed by this either hate hov or never liked jay e at all
cuz honestly the more this sets in, the more i think he met the expectations as well as he could have
album of the year everything else pales in comparison
I'm honestly not a big Hov fan at all and from first listen I was doing
:pog: faces all throughout his verses tweeting "this is HOV"you really have to hate hip-hop or b death n dumb or sth to not f*** with his energy on here
