Cow

3y

We can continue now. It has been 6 months. I remembered.

We are not weak men like @Synopsis

I stand by my original post. They can't take anything from me because I don't give a f***.

You don't ever tell me what I can and cannot do. We stand by every word.

Jody

3y

Don’t think it’s as simple as a partisan divide

Cow

3y

We can continue now. It has been 6 months. I remembered.

We are not weak men like @Synopsis

I stand by my original post. They can't take anything from me because I don't give a f***.

You don't ever tell me what I can and cannot do. We stand by every word.

Cudderwalks

3y

Kill this thread

insertcoolnamehere

4y

op top 5 funniest posters on this site lol.

Cow

4y

Capitalism has conditioned the working class into being pussies. The gap between the working and middle classes has been closing and the working class have become conditioned to the benefits that come with capitalism.

You think all these white uni educated ''working class'' communists are going to be doing s***e? They will fall at the first hurdle. Talking big online about s***e does not make you a revolutionary. You are just a revolutionary in speech. Everything else you do is counterproductive to the revolution. The moment you start building your life within capitalism is the moment you become a problem to the revolution.

I was having an argument with a fraud revolutionary communist the other day because he was condescendingly calling out another man for voluntarily making himself homeless for a month. This fraud communist revolutionary saw no point in it because he is not built for it. There absolutely is a reason to do things like this. It is about CONDITIONING YOURSELF. If you are fighting the state then you have to be conditioned to be homeless. They will make that happen. Condition yourself for prison too. These are things that will happen if you try to fight the state. If you are not conditioned for these things then you will crumble at the first hurdle

And this is why the working and middle classes won't achieve s***e. They do not want this self responsibility. Conditioning themselves for violence and harsh conditions is too hard. It is not the 20s anymore. Working class people are all pussies.

The revolution starts with those who have nothing. The underclass who have no interest in capitalism. The ones who are in the exact same place they were in 100 years ago. The ones social mobility under capitalism ignored. The ones conditioned for violence and harsh living standards. The state can't take s***e from these people. The working class acting the revolutionaries are not going to achieve s***e. They are all weak.

americana

3y

@op your beliefs align with Marx’s, you two just have a different definition of “working class”

Cow

3y

Nah, Marx despised the underclass. But he despised them during a time when the working class were far more oppressed than they are now.

I see most workers as worthless in any revolutionary context.

americana

3y

The underclass are simply proletariat without class consciousness. He despised them for reactionary views and conservative mindsets that reinforced their lower position in hierarchy

They’re still working class but lacking any revolutionary mindset

Marx never said the revolution was a working class phenomenon, but a proletariat one.

ALPHABEAR

3y

OP’s brain is actually big sexy but y’all not ready for that convo.

Did not expect that type of willpower (6 month hiatus) from any poster who spends time in G&G, me included. I mean, f***… I’m kinda turned on.

Cow

3y

But what we have seen happen over the past 50 or so years is an increased level of social mobility of the working class under capitalism in the west. This social mobility has not reached the underclass.

Neither the working or underclass have class consciousness in 2021. The image of the working class socialist is simply far too uncommon to be relevant in 2021. The working class have fallen into the capitalist trap. They have experienced social mobility and do not want to let it go. They have built themselves within capitalism and do not want to let it go.

The underclass have none of this. They have nothing within this system. Capitalism has not treated the underclass well. It has treated the working class relatively well. This is why the underclass are always going to have the most potential in 2021 even if they lack class consciousness.

If capitalism bought them a house, a well paying career, and sent their kids to university, what more do the working class want? The working class are not oppressed in the west.

The oppressed are the underclass. Those who do not have careers.

You know, many of the landlords in my area are working class. They are builders, plumbers etc. They buy houses on the side and rent them out to the underclass. These are the people that are supposed to want socialism? lmao.

Even the working class with class consciousness are hilarious. Constantly talking about student debt for people who have careers. Same people have inheritance from their working class parents in the form of a house.

You have a few groups of people we are talking about here:

Older working class: These are people who found a lot of success under capitalism. They experienced a lot of social mobility and own their own houses. This group were once socialist. Socialist until they got theirs. Now they want to protect theirs.

Middle age working class: These are similar to above.

Millennial working class: These are often university educated. They struggle in the housing market because the generations before them simply don't give a f***. But these millennials do have inheritance. They do have careers. They can afford houses even in the current market, but it is not easy.

This group also has another route: to follow their parents. They often continue on the family business. Builders, plumbers etc. These people do tremendously well through nepotism and inheritance.

Then there are the underclass: The underclass have no education, no jobs or if they are lucky they get a tremendously s*** job. They own nothing. They can only afford to live, and often struggle with that. The working class often exploit this group of people. The blame goes on them. The sneering. The underclass are the scum. Worthless.

Out of all of these groups, it is the underclass with the most potential. They have nothing to lose.

There are also issues with race and different cultures that I have not gone into. The above mostly applies to native white people in a country. Different races and cultures introduce different issues.

All is merely an observation of what I see around me.

I generally like your posts btw

space0cadet

3y

Read settlers by Sakai
This is basically the premise of the book