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    SABMAN TURNT

    so it was a digital exclusive for less than a month? whoopty doo

    which was unheard of at the time for a major artist...

  • SABMAN TURNT

    agreed

    the guy i’m arguing with believes long albums should be shorter because albums can inherently only be good if Rick Rubin comes in at the last second & tells you to cut half the tracklist

    That’s not true at all

    I’m literally saying exactly what @ShinNohara is saying, which you agree with

    Short albums can be good or bad

    Long albums can be good or bad

    Albums can be too long (For All The Dogs) AND too short (Ye)

    What I’m highlighting is how, in the streaming era, artists seem to be intentionally making their albums longer to throw s*** at a wall to see what sticks and to boost streaming numbers

  • Mafia Boss

    which was unheard of at the time for a major artist...

    Radiohead did it in 2007

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    Mafia Boss

    there were no physicals the first week...

    https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/lil-waynes-i-am-not-a-human-being-sets-worrisome-digital-trend-956069/

    wow, a week without physicals

    really wasn’t what i’m talking about lol

  • I really don’t get why @sab thinks I’m such a huge Ye stan

    I haven’t been aboard that train since 2022, I think all of the music he’s dropped post-Donda has been utter garbage besides VULTURES 1 and (some of) Bully

    My opinion on album tracklist length wasn’t formed by Yeezus, I was listening to GKMC every single day as a kid before Yeezus even dropped

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    shaleirose

    That’s where y’all are misconstruing me.

    I’m not saying that all long albums are automatically are bad. There are plenty of long albums from this decade that I enjoy:

    Donda
    Un Verano Sin Ti
    Whole Lotta Red
    MUSIC
    ICEMAN
    Mr. Morale
    OCTANE
    Hurry Up Tomorrow
    SOS
    COWBOY CARTER

    Just to name a few

    But even on these albums, while I enjoy them overall, I do think they would be stronger albums if their tracklists were trimmed down just a tad

    Which ties into the point that I’m saying, which is NOT that all long albums are automatically bad albums, but rather that, in the streaming era, a lot of mainstream artists seem to be adding as many tracks as possible to their albums to boost overall streaming numbers, even if it’s not the strongest possible song or tying into the overall album in any tangible way

    so clearly you don’t enjoy the albums in full lol

    long albums are great if you like every song on them

    you haven’t found one where you do

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    SABMAN TURNT

    so clearly you don’t enjoy the albums in full lol

    long albums are great if you like every song on them

    you haven’t found one where you do

    Wrong. A few of those, I enjoy every song, but there are a few songs that are a bit weaker than the rest or don’t really make sense in context with the rest of the album

    For example, on ICEMAN I enjoy every single song but I would have left off Little Birdie and Don’t Worry because I think they don’t add anything to the album, and don’t make sense thematically with the rest of the songs

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    The whole “more songs = more value” doesn’t even make sense in the streaming era. If anything, that makes more sense in the physicals era, where you had to pay real dollars for every album you wanted to hear.

    With streaming, everything you wanna listen to is completely free, and you have access to 100 million songs at any given moment. Why do you need an excess amount of songs from one artist when you can listen to whatever you want to listen to whenever you want to, and it’s not costing you a dime?

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    shaleirose

    Wrong. A few of those, I enjoy every song, but there are a few songs that are a bit weaker than the rest or don’t really make sense in context with the rest of the album

    For example, on ICEMAN I enjoy every single song but I would have left off Little Birdie and Don’t Worry because I think they don’t add anything to the album, and don’t make sense thematically with the rest of the songs

    i get feeling that way from time to time, there are definitely some longer albums where i’m like “this song sticks out, would be better as a single or a bonus track instead”

    but you’re ruining your own experience if you feel that way every time you listen to a longer album

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    shaleirose

    The whole “more songs = more value” doesn’t even make sense in the streaming era. If anything, that makes more sense in the physicals era, where you had to pay real dollars for every album you wanted to hear.

    With streaming, everything you wanna listen to is completely free, and you have access to 100 million songs at any given moment. Why do you need an excess amount of songs from one artist when you can listen to whatever you want to listen to whenever you want to, and it’s not costing you a dime?

    why do you even need songs at all when you can listen to whatever you want whenever you want

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    SABMAN TURNT

    i get feeling that way from time to time, there are definitely some longer albums where i’m like “this song sticks out, would be better as a single or a bonus track instead”

    but you’re ruining your own experience if you feel that way every time you listen to a longer album

    But it’s not every time either lmao

    I’m not trying to make some absolute statement so I apologize if it comes off that way

    Anyone who thinks “long album = bad, short album = good” is being disingenuous

    I just notice that in the streaming era, it’s more common for me to think “this song could’ve been cut” when the album is extremely long

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    I think the sweet spot for album length is between 10 and 17 songs

    I think it’s really difficult to make a GREAT album if it’s less than 10 tracks and if it’s 18+ tracks

  • shaleirose

    That’s where y’all are misconstruing me.

    I’m not saying that all long albums are automatically are bad. There are plenty of long albums from this decade that I enjoy:

    Donda
    Un Verano Sin Ti
    Whole Lotta Red
    MUSIC
    ICEMAN
    Mr. Morale
    OCTANE
    Hurry Up Tomorrow
    SOS
    COWBOY CARTER

    Just to name a few

    But even on these albums, while I enjoy them overall, I do think they would be stronger albums if their tracklists were trimmed down just a tad

    Which ties into the point that I’m saying, which is NOT that all long albums are automatically bad albums, but rather that, in the streaming era, a lot of mainstream artists seem to be adding as many tracks as possible to their albums to boost overall streaming numbers, even if it’s not the strongest possible song or tying into the overall album in any tangible way

    im confused what hes even arguing atp. what you said is right.

  • shaleirose

    The whole “more songs = more value” doesn’t even make sense in the streaming era. If anything, that makes more sense in the physicals era, where you had to pay real dollars for every album you wanted to hear.

    With streaming, everything you wanna listen to is completely free, and you have access to 100 million songs at any given moment. Why do you need an excess amount of songs from one artist when you can listen to whatever you want to listen to whenever you want to, and it’s not costing you a dime?

    yea especially deluxes and bonus tracks now its just to boost sales.

  • shaleirose

    I think the sweet spot for album length is between 10 and 17 songs

    I think it’s really difficult to make a GREAT album if it’s less than 10 tracks and if it’s 18+ tracks

    as a listener i think 10-17 is good limit if i am not a fan of the artist but want to listen to project. if i like the artists 17-23 is better.

  • SOTY

    We need Drake on the remix

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    shaleirose

    But it’s not every time either lmao

    I’m not trying to make some absolute statement so I apologize if it comes off that way

    Anyone who thinks “long album = bad, short album = good” is being disingenuous

    I just notice that in the streaming era, it’s more common for me to think “this song could’ve been cut” when the album is extremely long

    oh then yea

    i just remember your whole “constraint = art” thing

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    shaleirose

    I think the sweet spot for album length is between 10 and 17 songs

    I think it’s really difficult to make a GREAT album if it’s less than 10 tracks and if it’s 18+ tracks

    Personally, I think the magic number for me is 13 tracks.

    15 is good for a deluxe.

  • Kee

    Personally, I think the magic number for me is 13 tracks.

    15 is good for a deluxe.

    Agreed

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    Mafia Boss
    https://twitter.com/hiphopallday/status/2069424696827728088

    Crazy how quickly things change

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    Jalen Brunson Fan

    Crazy how quickly things change

    kinda sad. Cole need a better team around him or something. Album couldve done way more imo

  • Mafia Boss
    https://twitter.com/hiphopallday/status/2069424696827728088

    fall off fr

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    The women eating the guys up rn