Most 60s bands suck anyway

This but raw power

well thats the stooges competition and i was trying to show my thought process. I wasnt trashing them but more just saying they aint my thing

The greatest rocknroll band ever as said by goat Jim Jarmusch
I agree

u cant really overstate their influence on music either. The stooges legit laid the blueprint for punk or post punk music a whoe f***ing decade beforeit was popular. S*** u can even hear their influence in the grunge stuff of the early90s especially with nirvana

idk man

by sheer popularity neither of those are touching the beatles impact on the world. the amount of people who heard the beatles music vs the stooges/VU is just so much higher, even if the latter 2 innovated more or influenced a larger % of their fans to make music in a certain way

its why its not really a fair comparison to make imo, underground heroes vs. some of the biggest cultural figures in human history.

reminds me of the thread a few days ago comparing disco's influence to punk, of course punk was influential but as an underground style of music there's no way it would touch the ubiquity and wider reach of disco

but i think the best 2 Stooges albums might be better than any other rock artist's best 2 albums

Gimme Danger a top 10 song of all time

idk the direct influence of the stooges on punk music is just hard to argue against.

dont get me f***ing started on that song. Everyone points out search and destroy from raw power but thats the all timer on that album for me

the stooges also did an excellent job with psych lane with their first album too. S/T is insanely good

iggy's influence on bowie is also another key point to make when discussing how influential the stooges were

not trying to take anything away from the stooges but due to the nature of punk I'm not really convinced that it wouldn't have happened without them. if the rest of the proto punk contemporaries like MC5 (who predated them and are underrated these days) still existed then I feel like punk would have still had a similar form to what it did with the stooges' influence. beatles influence also wider ranging than just rock too, unless you're talking strictly in the rock (+punk) sphere.

i love punk but can't help but feel that critics over the years have overstated and mythologized the narrative to a point where people think it had a bit more mainstream impact than it really did. not denying it was still a huge f***ing deal of course. but it's just become a critical darling narrative that's "cool" to espouse and conduct shoddy journalism based on, like the whole "punk killed prog" myth that's a whole other conversation. some people would try to tell you that punk was the most important thing to happen to music in the past 50 years which just isn't the case imo and is a bit of revisionist history based on what became "cool" vs. "uncool"

again The Stooges is an actual contender for my favorite band OAT. but some people act like the entire rock world was turned on its head when they came out in 1969-1970 where if you talk to someone that was actually around back then it would be a different story. but its an indisputable fact the beatles did turn the music world on its head and just had an impact on a level where it's unfair to compare

Classic

hope you're listening to the og Bowie mix of that song where the acoustic guitars are as prominent as they should be makes it darker and more unique

👀Bowie's influence is overstated too tho lowkey unless you're bringing in non-musical aspects like creative direction and image

Dont let elric see this 🤫

No youtube links in OP :/

sabbath exists btw

Bowie was a protagonist of his times, although a poor musician: to say that Bowie is a musician is like saying that Nero was a harp player (a fact that is technically true, but misleading). Bowie embodies the quintessence of artificial art, raises futulity to paradigm, focuses on the phenomenon rather than the content, makes irrelevant the relevant, and, thus, is the epitome of everything that went wrong with rock music.

Each element of his art is the emblem of a true artistic movement; however, the ensemble of those emblems constitutes no more than a puzzle, no matter how intriguing, of symbols, a roll of incoherent images projected against the wall at twice the speed, a dictionary of terms rather than a poem, and, in the best of hypotheses, a documentary of the cultural fads of his era.

Reading the chronicles of his times, it is clear that what caused sensation was the show, not the music. The show that Bowie set up was undoubtedly in sync with the avantgarde, as it fused theater, mime, cinema, visual art, literature and music. However, Bowie merely recycled what had been going on for years in the British underground, in particular what had been popularized by the psychedelic bands of 1967. And he turned it into a commodity: whichever way you look at his oeuvre, this is the real merit of it.

lol jk

Man kids in this thread don't get it, The Stooges pioneered proto punk, all Carti stans wouldn't exist without this band.

Iggy Pop walked so Playboi Carti could run

was waiting for it

There are a couple sentences in there that are definitely balls-on dead accurate tho

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