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  • Feb 15, 2023
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    TTU

    Which?

    Edit: actually just curious, not trying to trick you/argue/one up/last word you

    nearly every single study ever

  • Feb 15, 2023
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    Kengi

    it's impossible to ever get a perfect study because you can't survey 7 billion people so that's why researchers settle for smaller sample sizes

    mathematically speaking you only need a sample size of 30 to meet the assumption of receiving a normal distribution of data. 6000 is fine - criticize something other than sample size because every study can be critiqued on sample size

  • Feb 15, 2023
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    blonded

    nearly every single study ever

    What're you talking about, man? They tried to set out a credible nationwide survey of American dating patterns and surveyed 6,000 people?

  • Feb 15, 2023
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    blonded

    it's impossible to ever get a perfect study because you can't survey 7 billion people so that's why researchers settle for smaller sample sizes

    mathematically speaking you only need a sample size of 30 to meet the assumption of receiving a normal distribution of data. 6000 is fine - criticize something other than sample size because every study can be critiqued on sample size

    This shouldn't have a smaller sample size. You should just collect more weighted data longitudinally. We're talking about credibility here not extrapolating an average

  • Feb 15, 2023
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    HURRY UP K DOG

    Horrible to us.

    Our morals don't exist outside our societies.

  • Feb 15, 2023
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    TTU

    This shouldn't have a smaller sample size. You should just collect more weighted data longitudinally. We're talking about credibility here not extrapolating an average

    what is the point of arguing for a bigger sample size if not to be more credible by being able to more accurately extrapolate the average?

  • Feb 15, 2023
    blonded

    it's impossible to ever get a perfect study because you can't survey 7 billion people so that's why researchers settle for smaller sample sizes

    mathematically speaking you only need a sample size of 30 to meet the assumption of receiving a normal distribution of data. 6000 is fine - criticize something other than sample size because every study can be critiqued on sample size

    the normal distribution is a hoax

  • blonded

    it's impossible to ever get a perfect study because you can't survey 7 billion people so that's why researchers settle for smaller sample sizes

    mathematically speaking you only need a sample size of 30 to meet the assumption of receiving a normal distribution of data. 6000 is fine - criticize something other than sample size because every study can be critiqued on sample size

    the sample size is fine its about methodology of how they surveyed.

    I have never been surveyed by any of these or now anyone who has these always seem sus

  • Feb 15, 2023
    TTU

    What're you talking about, man? They tried to set out a credible nationwide survey of American dating patterns and surveyed 6,000 people?

    6000 is a massive survey, of course it will have a MOE but that's very solid to draw inferences from

  • Feb 15, 2023
    blonded

    what is the point of arguing for a bigger sample size if not to be more credible by being able to more accurately extrapolate the average?

    Because this is a NPORS survey, their last had over 20,000

  • Feb 15, 2023
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    TTU

    What're you talking about, man? They tried to set out a credible nationwide survey of American dating patterns and surveyed 6,000 people?

    you need to look into this because you don't know what you're talking about

    i don't mean that in a condescending way just google like "nationwide surveys and sample size" there's more to it than im typing on my phone in a ktt post

  • Feb 15, 2023
    blonded

    you need to look into this because you don't know what you're talking about

    i don't mean that in a condescending way just google like "nationwide surveys and sample size" there's more to it than im typing on my phone in a ktt post

    I will and revert back, thank you

  • Feb 15, 2023
    Dedication 666

  • Feb 15, 2023
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    Sgt Leaf

    The funny thing is that there are so many men in real life who do not improve themselves at all and have no problem with women but men with dating issues are told that there MUST be something wrong with them and that’s why most men go on this super self improvement journey.

    I’ve done the same, started being in the gym heavy since last Feb and look wayyyy different than how I was.

    There needs to be some compassion all around. Like someone else in this thread said, you can’t just label every single man as an loser.

    I feel like there’s an article every day about why there’s a loneliness uptick in young men and they all pretty much say “it’s your fault you’re single” which again reinforces the idea that you’re not good enough and need to be in the gym 10x a week to even be worthy of love.

    i cant tell you how many actual losers, misogynists, etc that i know that have no issues with dating

    thats not me on some r/niceguys s*** it just goes to show that peoole are complex and theres no rhyme or reason to any of this s***

    to which i say prioritize self improvement for the sake of self inprovement and not for the sake of getting laid or whatever cause life doesnt work that way

  • Feb 15, 2023
    math fifty

    i cant tell you how many actual losers, misogynists, etc that i know that have no issues with dating

    thats not me on some r/niceguys s*** it just goes to show that peoole are complex and theres no rhyme or reason to any of this s***

    to which i say prioritize self improvement for the sake of self inprovement and not for the sake of getting laid or whatever cause life doesnt work that way

    yup. there's so many people that i hear stories of that are just toxic, vile or abusive but if anything goes wrong they just move on with no issue. at the end of the day they're still clearly doing something right, but id be lying if i said i dont feel more self blame, and tbh this works moreso in all aspects of life, not exclusive to dating. just do what you can for yourself anyways, and like you said just improve on yourself first and foremost for your own good

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    The StepFather

    If you wanted to see someone who isn't ok with themselves. Continue to read dude you replied to posts. He really just itt projecting

    But be careful how you talk to him, he king slime on the message boards. Toughest nigga I've seen with a keyboard

    ayo my nigga, stop stalking everything I say. You are OBSESSED.

    I don't know why you're still mad about @sab muting you for saying transphobic things but don't take that anger out on me. Please touch grass.

  • Feb 15, 2023
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    Shady Ant

    Seriously, are “men are the problem” people genuinely allergic to actually making an argument?
    If you really feel that society’s understanding and treatment of the idea of relationships and people’s treatment of each other isn’t the problem but instead, it is just men don’t work on themselves, actually explain why instead of hurling insults. Because from my perspective I genuinely don’t even understand that perspective.

    from page 8:

    "Life is meant to be lived to find your own happiness, the people within your life are supposed to add on to said happiness not be the sole reason of happiness.

    The reason why I never buy “you cant generalize all men that complain” line because if you look at why s*** is how it is (strictly for men), it’s cause of patriarchy and bullshit ass societal standards we think we gotta uphold.

    For example (and if it dont apply let it fly): We touch starved. So we crave it. Why? Cause homeboys aint supposed to practice any platonic intimacy with they homeboys (ayo, dash smiley, whatever).

    We feel emotionally that we gotta hold s*** in. So we crave something/someone that you can let all that s*** out to. Why? Cause homeboys aint supposed to have emotional conversations with each other (there was a study during the pandemic a LOT of men reported that for the 1st time they started having conversations above surface level s*** with they male friends)

    Many more things that female platonic friends do for each other all the time that they already are fulfilled in certain emotional ways.

    Why can’t we seek that within our circles?

    I’m saying if we wanna have a real conversation let’s have an actual REAL conversation lol."

    tl;dr: I don't take these convos seriously because it never really delves into the real issues but genuinely instead turns into complaining about women when the reality is the society rules (which were dictated and programmed by...guess the gender) is what has men in an emotionally stunted bind.

    There's your response.

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    blonded

    it's impossible to ever get a perfect study because you can't survey 7 billion people so that's why researchers settle for smaller sample sizes

    mathematically speaking you only need a sample size of 30 to meet the assumption of receiving a normal distribution of data. 6000 is fine - criticize something other than sample size because every study can be critiqued on sample size

    Youre right perhabs I was mistrusting the data so much because the difference just seemed surreal. As it turns out its just completely blown out of proportion by neglecting marriage status and strange age classification 18-24 year olds and 25-35 year old are much more realistic.

    When I looked up German studies (who were much up to 5 times the sample size ) it got me like ok something is up.

    Now this one I think gives a much better picture

    bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources/data/family-profiles/brown-manning-relationship-status-trends-age-gender-fp-21-25.html

    also sadly I couldnt find the methodolgy the author used except he based it of this census which a***yses households (which honestly seems to make alot more sense than the vague feeling of what being single means)

    cps.ipums.org/cps/sample_sizes.shtml

  • Feb 15, 2023

    The alarming thing to me is that I don’t see how this is alarming lmao

    At least in my 23 years, niggas have simply been getting it how they live. Women are generally able to be pickier. Idk how it was before my time but that’s what I see in my radius

  • Feb 15, 2023
    math fifty

    i cant tell you how many actual losers, misogynists, etc that i know that have no issues with dating

    thats not me on some r/niceguys s*** it just goes to show that peoole are complex and theres no rhyme or reason to any of this s***

    to which i say prioritize self improvement for the sake of self inprovement and not for the sake of getting laid or whatever cause life doesnt work that way

    Agreed. There is no manual to this s***, at best there’re best practices but even still.

    If you’re improving yourself emotionally, physically and socially, I think that’s enough. A lot of the self improvement guys really just focus on physical and financial and completely ignore the social aspects of improvement and end up in the exact same spot

  • Feb 15, 2023
    insertcoolnamehere

    from page 8:

    "Life is meant to be lived to find your own happiness, the people within your life are supposed to add on to said happiness not be the sole reason of happiness.

    The reason why I never buy “you cant generalize all men that complain” line because if you look at why s*** is how it is (strictly for men), it’s cause of patriarchy and bullshit ass societal standards we think we gotta uphold.

    For example (and if it dont apply let it fly): We touch starved. So we crave it. Why? Cause homeboys aint supposed to practice any platonic intimacy with they homeboys (ayo, dash smiley, whatever).

    We feel emotionally that we gotta hold s*** in. So we crave something/someone that you can let all that s*** out to. Why? Cause homeboys aint supposed to have emotional conversations with each other (there was a study during the pandemic a LOT of men reported that for the 1st time they started having conversations above surface level s*** with they male friends)

    Many more things that female platonic friends do for each other all the time that they already are fulfilled in certain emotional ways.

    Why can’t we seek that within our circles?

    I’m saying if we wanna have a real conversation let’s have an actual REAL conversation lol."

    tl;dr: I don't take these convos seriously because it never really delves into the real issues but genuinely instead turns into complaining about women when the reality is the society rules (which were dictated and programmed by...guess the gender) is what has men in an emotionally stunted bind.

    There's your response.

    This is a fair opinion, and I agree with parts of it.
    I still think that neither men nor women are to blame entirely for the state of things, as many modern men don’t even uphold the patriarchy like that, they were just born into it and don’t wanna be weird or left out by actively defying it too heavily, but the patriarchy, or societal norms, or whatever anyone would want to call it, and how it treats men and women definitely plays a big role in what’s going wrong, I think.
    I also think a big problem is how capitalism, or “the grind” or, again, whatever someone wants to call it, is a factor too. I think too often people are way too concerned about what they or their partner brings to the table, when I never thought of relationships like that. I feel like you’re a team when you’re in a relationship, and you stick together and help out how you can because you get along and you want each other to be happy, never taking what you or your partner does, however small, for granted.
    And then there’s the problem with the Internet, and how conversations like these do eventually devolve into battles of the sexes, and how that radicalizes youth to see the very people they want to love as the enemy, and it’s a nasty concoction of s*** that leaves many people lonely.

    TLDR: I think you’re right about most of that, and patriarchy/societal norms, capitalism/the grind, and Internet stuff all negatively affect people’s ability to form and keep healthy relationships

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    This shouldn't have to be said but everyone should probably avoid input from highly emotional individuals. You may agree but chances are they're just parroting some s*** they saw, and definitely not something they practice. Especially, the male ones. These types of irrational outbursts are one reason relations between the sexes are off balanced in the first place

  • Feb 15, 2023
    math fifty

    i cant tell you how many actual losers, misogynists, etc that i know that have no issues with dating

    thats not me on some r/niceguys s*** it just goes to show that peoole are complex and theres no rhyme or reason to any of this s***

    to which i say prioritize self improvement for the sake of self inprovement and not for the sake of getting laid or whatever cause life doesnt work that way

    Its just about finding someone on your level. A lot of people shoot high and then complain they cant find a spouse.

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