it's a new label and seems like a new thing but it's just a more complex extension of what we had before. Jurassic Park CGI was also generated computer images.

once again, bc of the labelling you're acting like an alien landed on earth when it's literally been part of your life this whole time, it just got better. turn off panic mode and handle the situation w some grace

Generative AI is the complete opposite of Jurassic Park CGI simply because of the speed and that’s why people are freaking out

you’re making a false equivalency. when Jurassic Park CGI came out, there was nothing prior to nor anything holding the creators hands in getting to that finished product aside from a product manual. there was nothing prior “if you do this or say this and describe this and alter this, then you will get CGI Dinosaurs eventually”

nah it took a lot of knowledge, base efforts and trial and error in order to create a system that other artists could use in their creative pursuits, thereby potentially creating entirely new career fields and making new jobs for animators who previously might have been doing stop motion

Generative AI just kills all of that by minimizing all of that effort to 150 characters

I think there's a fundamental disagreement though because I am using chatgpt in reference to bureaucratic work/"Productivity" causes and not making art which taps into emotions and feelings, perhaps it would be good for doing the bureaucratic work of making "art" but giving you an idea for a poem goes against the point of art, you're putting the cart before the horse

It's inherently reductive of art to use AI to generate ideas or thoughts for you, the benefit of AI is that it can "complete" something for you (the idea that doesn't exist in art in my opinion anyway) and the only reason you would be required to complete something is to commodify it, if you're just making art to express yourself and what you feel then the desire to use AI disappears

if you're making art because you have to make art (to further your career or "launch" a career, Career Career Career) then it muddies the water too much, make something because you love it and you want to make it not out of fear

and also AI has been shown countless times to have a mind of its own…the idea or information that it generates for you may not be the idea or information you originally desired or would have found if you attempted to research yourself

AI has been making up data to finish tasks since that’s intended goal, not making art. now imagine it making up art to finish your input. that’s not you creating s***, that’s the AI taking over and feeding you what it thinks you want lol all for you to say “huh, I never thought/saw it that way before” because it may not even be a real thought you would have ever come across naturally as a human

nope. you're the one with the false equivalency here, not all AI is ChatGPT.

the only difference is the speed and efficiency of the machines, there's still no inherent difference.art of today which utilizes AI in creative ways and is to stand the test of time will have to go through exactly what you're describing in your second to last paragraph as well.

what Lee Gamble did on Models took hundreds of hours of building his own neural network from scratch, hand-feeding it only exactly the type of material he wanted, vocals ranging from Cocteau Twins to Madonna to Lil Uzi Vert and fried mumble rap. then he strategically fed the results back to itself to get as strange and grotesque a vocal as possible out of it, which seems to speak words but only garbles nonsense. there was multiple intellectual reasons for why this spoke to him personally, but the main one was that he just lost his dad and thought about ghosts a lot, and liked the ghostly quality of what he was playing with.

essentially, he built himself a Frankenstein monster growing all the limbs himself in his lab.

that's why his album is a masterpiece and will still be talked about in 20 years when discussing creative ways to utilize AI. and also single-handedly proving wrong all the idiots itt who think what he did is impossible by definition

you’re still wrong

you literally just described everything that would potentially keep AI the same as Jurassic Park CGI

that is NOT generative AI. Generative AI is autonomous, using massive amounts of public data. the human is hands off once the prompt is initiated

what Gamble did is AI engineering as art lmao. Generative AI IS the engineer, the artist, and the trainer relying on a model

and he didn’t create a Frankenstein. he used someone else’s Frankenstein and rearranged the limbs. he’s using AI as the medium for art. he’s simply a curator, while the AI is the artist. salute lmfao

As an artist I’m not sure why people are so uppity about the ai art released on the internet.

Yes jobs like graphic design are pretty much dead along with photo retouching etc.

But most of these ai advocate folks on Twitter just want to make anime gooner material and furry bs.

You can give someone a box of magic markers but they can’t make a masterpiece out of it.

I’m still sifting everywhere I can to try and find interesting elements from ai creations subjective seems like more focused art ai models, mid journey for example makes more “high quality” images. But the things I’m seeing is that it looks way too detailed way too overwhelming, so many colors , can’t give the eye much resting area, it’s just pure overload of imagery.

I follow a couple of these mid journey artist’s to keep an eye on them.

Hmm idk I constantly see this dumbass ai/ anti ai artist war going on in the internet and I just find it silly.

people are already generating short length films in high quality man this will only get worse and more detailed and harder for you to discern once enough trials and errors are ran through it, especially once you introduce voices who can prompt the AI accordingly to make these difference unnoticeable

The thing is that AI was suppose to be a reference and not the aesthetic itself. It's ridiculous how people were so lazy that they started to use the reference as a final product.
I get that an advertisement worker would make a prompt for getting ideas to launch a new campaign or whatever. But the problem is that stupid people with a lack of creativity and effort would look at the image and think that the work is done. You don't need to hire a photographer, caterer, art director, editor and designer. You can pay f***ing OpenAI Pro for a small amount and get the "RESULT".

yep! Exactly your last sentence.

i seen a dude using PlayStation VR to trace window stencils and nobody batted an eye and he was proud, actually people walking by were enamored by the technology lmaooo imagine an actual artist who is dying for a job walking by and seeing that s*** lmfaooo. this dude who can’t draw is just tracing virtual images then going to print large enough stickers and boom, “art”

you just killed an entire market for artists right there

I fundamentally disagree with your conclusions about art. I don't make art because making art is fun and I don't make art so I can commodify it. Really confused on why everyone is jumping to that assumption. I make art because I want to create something beautiful. I also don't understand how using AI as a tool disqualifies the piece from being a work of genuine emotion and feeling. The desire to use AI does not disappear because it can still be a helpful tool in one's quest to express oneself and create something beautiful. Making something awesome and beautiful has intrinsic value to me, in much the same way as an inventor might feel. And, even if no one else were to enjoy the completed vision of my art, I would still get to enjoy it myself.

every answer youve had in this thread sounds like it was ai generated

cool

Once again I'll reiterate that the artist needs to have discernment to know what to keep and what to cut. If you just agree with every choice that Chat GPT makes it's probably going to result in something s***ty. You can use it as a source of inspiration to help bring to life something you wouldn't have thought of without the tool, but it's still up to you to give it purpose and direction and make it GOOD.

cuz it makes u a stupid idiot

being a middle manager for ai and calling yourself a artist

@op form an opinion from this

I can understand your point of view, a lot of people are able to get the result with lack of effort or lack of creativity and pushing it as creativity.

But the thing is people in the industry or freelance independent professionals that have gained experience for years are using these ai tools, not for the finish end result but somewhere in their workflow.

I watched a GDC video on how scene / environment modelers did initial scaffolding of a mansion scene and they used ai tools to see what happens and this iterative process gave them more ideas of what could work for the scene and what wouldn’t , this didn’t become the final scene of this model they would then build these model themselves in their 3d software and implement it into the scene, I wouldn’t consider this instance of ai being a bad thing , they are simply using it as a tool.

Right now ai is ever changing and nuanced , people that lack creativity of course will out put nonsense, AI still have lots of problems and a huge cost of energy and water usage and money going into it along with copyright cost. And there’s barely any talks of UBI

Things like video creation and music creation , ai artists is still a touchy subject.

But what I do know is that smart, creative, idea thinking , iterative people are going to utilize it more as a tool , just like a brush, a wrench , a program, a screwdriver, to get them to their goal /product . The skill gap is already widening even further .

The dumb people are not going to come up with good ideas because their mindset are not even on that level, they’re too busy making naruto fight goku, making their own dumb cartoons, etc

There are still huge concerns with ai that I do have and it’s mainly misinformation, videos becoming too realistic to discern what’s real from fake, voice fakes , chat box posting like they are a real person. Catfishing , hallucination info

I don’t get how someone can interact with AI like this and not feel their soul eroding bit by bit with each new message

Niggas thread backfired now he posting gpt chats

do u think i made this thread expecting people to agree with me? lol

bruh check these chatgpt chats @op is posting lol