May 21, 2023
notbrockWhat do you mean?
May 21, 2023
doggy springsteenOkay TrackLib marketing team shill 👍 we’re not your focus group
May 21, 2023notbrockYeah I’m bout to go off on this one
Tracklib is high key an absolute rip off. If your a small unknown obscure artist then you don’t need to clear any f***ing samples. Alchemist himself said he don’t clear s*** unless it’s something for a big artist like Kendrick. So all his projects with Roc, Curren$y, Boldy, Larry etc. are full of uncleared samples because there small enough where suing them wouldn’t even be worth it finically. And if your track blew up and was actually making a ton of money you could actually handle that situation and give the sampled artists their percentage. It’s very rare something like Lucid Dreams by Juicewrld happens and even tho Sting takes almost all the revenue of that song it was completely worth it in the end because Juicewrld blew up and made a ton of other big songs
Tracklib tricks young producers and people who don’t understand this and makes a s*** ton of money off them
Tracklib is also full of absolute trash. Everytime a really good song that has a ton of potential gets uploaded on there it immediately gets downloaded thousands of times and used everywhere. Which imo kills the fun of finding dope songs to sample
As a sample based producer myself who really enjoys the art of finding obscure gems and s*** nobody’s heard since the 70s I avoid Tracklib and those YouTube channels live Andre Navarro like the plague
Ain’t nothing like going the record store, Finding some obscure German album full of absolute heat that very few other people know about
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- May 21, 2023·1 reply
A necessary step tbh. But honestly doesn't matter to regular DIY artists.
I started out making beats with the idea that if you're Flip is skilled enough and obscure enough nobody will decipher it until it's time to pay and by then you would have either gotten enough exposure or gotten enough money off said song to where it wouldn't even matter.
Now I produce with the idea that if your that skilled just have it cleared before hand if you can afford it, will be less of a nightmare later on.
Problem is most times you can't afford it starting up.
As far as subscription services I buy outright sample packs from the sample creators, compositions + one shots, it costs about the same as 1 monthly subscription and you don't have to worry about it.
Just read the license that you buy some are royalty free some depend on how many plays you get,
all this don't matter unless you get plays. 
May 21, 2023·1 replynotbrockYeah I’m bout to go off on this one
Tracklib is high key an absolute rip off. If your a small unknown obscure artist then you don’t need to clear any f***ing samples. Alchemist himself said he don’t clear s*** unless it’s something for a big artist like Kendrick. So all his projects with Roc, Curren$y, Boldy, Larry etc. are full of uncleared samples because there small enough where suing them wouldn’t even be worth it finically. And if your track blew up and was actually making a ton of money you could actually handle that situation and give the sampled artists their percentage. It’s very rare something like Lucid Dreams by Juicewrld happens and even tho Sting takes almost all the revenue of that song it was completely worth it in the end because Juicewrld blew up and made a ton of other big songs
Tracklib tricks young producers and people who don’t understand this and makes a s*** ton of money off them
Tracklib is also full of absolute trash. Everytime a really good song that has a ton of potential gets uploaded on there it immediately gets downloaded thousands of times and used everywhere. Which imo kills the fun of finding dope songs to sample
As a sample based producer myself who really enjoys the art of finding obscure gems and s*** nobody’s heard since the 70s I avoid Tracklib and those YouTube channels live Andre Navarro like the plague
Ain’t nothing like going the record store, Finding some obscure German album full of absolute heat that very few other people know about
do you happen to have a producer website? tryna hear some of your beats
May 21, 2023·1 replyNothing beats digging in person
May 21, 2023·1 replyMrGardenNothing beats digging in person
Clearing the sample ruins the art of digging these days
- May 21, 2023·1 replyProdByBandito
Clearing the sample ruins the art of digging these days
Wrong
- May 21, 2023·1 reply
Sample snitching and things like Splice or Tracklib ruin the art for me
- May 21, 2023·1 replyMrGarden
Wrong
Completely right if you want to make a career out of it and is a big reason why hip-hop from 2013-2020 had way less sampled songs due to original artists asking for ridiculous publishing which meant the artist and producers couldn't eat. If your doing it to show your mates and for recreation ye it can be fun
- May 21, 2023·1 replyProdByBandito
Completely right if you want to make a career out of it and is a big reason why hip-hop from 2013-2020 had way less sampled songs due to original artists asking for ridiculous publishing which meant the artist and producers couldn't eat. If your doing it to show your mates and for recreation ye it can be fun
There are ways around it
I’d never let any of these parameters dictate my art
- May 21, 2023·2 replies
Graffiti being illegal doesn’t devalue the art of it
- May 21, 2023·1 replyMrGarden
Graffiti being illegal doesn’t devalue the art of it
Non comparable at all. There is very little money in digging through crates unless they are insanely old and are in the public domain. Otherwise if you go the proper channels and release a song and go about clearing a sample you'll get zero publishing, very little if any advance and probably no points. At that point you'll just gain a couple clout coupons
- May 21, 2023·2 repliesMrGarden
Graffiti being illegal doesn’t devalue the art of it
Graffiti is largely always an original art piece. Sampling would be like using someone else's tag and chucking a different colour in it
- May 21, 2023·1 replyBigManDell
do you happen to have a producer website? tryna hear some of your beats
I don’t but I could send you some stuff
Your s*** is hard but definitely not really the sound I do so idk if you’ll f*** with it
May 21, 2023RXHalfDeadCalibanA necessary step tbh. But honestly doesn't matter to regular DIY artists.
I started out making beats with the idea that if you're Flip is skilled enough and obscure enough nobody will decipher it until it's time to pay and by then you would have either gotten enough exposure or gotten enough money off said song to where it wouldn't even matter.
Now I produce with the idea that if your that skilled just have it cleared before hand if you can afford it, will be less of a nightmare later on.
Problem is most times you can't afford it starting up.
As far as subscription services I buy outright sample packs from the sample creators, compositions + one shots, it costs about the same as 1 monthly subscription and you don't have to worry about it.
Just read the license that you buy some are royalty free some depend on how many plays you get,
all this don't matter unless you get plays.Good points.
Honestly, a big part of what attracted me to tracklib specifically (although it was the first one I saw, so this might be standard) was how relatively cheap the sample clearances were for most of the tracks.
Made me think that I probably should clear the samples just to be safe and since, luckily, I can afford it for now.
Of course I want to make a career of music one day; and I honestly think that hobbyists who aren’t even interested in getting paid that much probably don’t need to worry about it. Like, they probably won’t blow since they aren’t concerned with promoting the music heavily, and if they do, even if they get a really crappy royalty cut off an uncleared sample, they’d probably just be happy to be making any money at all, since they weren’t expecting to in the first place.- May 21, 2023·1 replyProdByBandito
Graffiti is largely always an original art piece. Sampling would be like using someone else's tag and chucking a different colour in it
So what are you like one of those anti sampling guys?
May 21, 2023na f dat
- May 21, 2023·1 replyProdByBandito
Non comparable at all. There is very little money in digging through crates unless they are insanely old and are in the public domain. Otherwise if you go the proper channels and release a song and go about clearing a sample you'll get zero publishing, very little if any advance and probably no points. At that point you'll just gain a couple clout coupons
Again your primary focus is money and “clout” points couldn’t be me
- May 21, 2023ProdByBandito
Graffiti is largely always an original art piece. Sampling would be like using someone else's tag and chucking a different colour in it
Your argument wasn’t about originality - it’s about legality
May 21, 2023·2 repliesThread is over complicating creating art with these false guidelines of what is and isn’t acceptable while also complicating consuming music as a whole if it’s dope it’s dope no one will come back and discredit you with “na b,that snare is from splice.” just make good s***
- May 21, 2023deadass
Thread is over complicating creating art with these false guidelines of what is and isn’t acceptable while also complicating consuming music as a whole if it’s dope it’s dope no one will come back and discredit you with “na b,that snare is from splice.” just make good s***
Dope music is dope music. It dont matter what you sampled or where you got it from
I’m going in on Tracklib not because it’s easy to find samples on there (although I think digging the crates is waaay more fun and part of the art of it) but because they over complicate the process and trick producers into paying them
- May 22, 2023notbrock
So what are you like one of those anti sampling guys?
Not at all I sample from time to time if I know it will be easy to clear or I know the label has a huge budget and I feel that sacrificing my backend will benefit where I'm going
- May 22, 2023·2 repliesMrGarden
Again your primary focus is money and “clout” points couldn’t be me
Ye I do this for a living so money is important. I also said previously if your doing it for recreational/hobby purposes good stuff but for me personally putting out the music I've created is very fulfilling, money or no money but it's not feasible due to copyright strikes or clearance
- May 22, 2023deadass
Thread is over complicating creating art with these false guidelines of what is and isn’t acceptable while also complicating consuming music as a whole if it’s dope it’s dope no one will come back and discredit you with “na b,that snare is from splice.” just make good s***
I agree dope s*** over anything but speaking from experience having the feeling of "I can't wait for people to hear this" to "we can't clear the record due to sample issues" is one of the worst feelings you can have as creative