Nah em's verse isn't that good
Don't remember what jay is saying so I'm not saying it cuz I want jay to have the better verse

Eminem writing here isn't top tier, maybe his delivery was but his lyricism here isn't impressive imo

"too bad you couldn't do good at marriage!"
euhm.... Oookay mr. Two failed marriages Mathers

Renegrades beat was lackluster. Most skippable record on the Blue Print.

Fit both of them well but em came in smooth like butter and sharper than a sword. Just a great verse and song

Every Eminem verse:

• Dictionary rap
• Being upset about parents who are still together in a functional family
• Saying he grew up poor and now the media hates him and he has obsessive fans

Nas is probably the sole reason we're talking about it like this today

He’s talking about the hypocrisy of do gooders who don’t practice what they preach

And he still outselling your favorite rapper

How the f*** can I have a favorite rapper? I don't even exist

man em was really a completely different rapper back then

his delivery has gone down the drain

Would be cool if he didn't talk about the same thing on many other songs

Are u mist

Renegade
White America
Sing for the Moment

Like okay we get it conservative white parents suck

And how tf does he know that the do-gooders didn't do well at mariage?

people marriages fail for many reason's, he should know that, he failed twice 💀

So people have to be either perfect in every aspect of their lives or are completely "deranged" trash like his slim Shays gimmick? 💀

his line of thinking was/is juveline- his raps are really full of attempts at getting under peoples skin (he admitted this several times too) but y'all gobble up the poor defense that it's satire/comedy (he isn't good at it, let it go)

You just sound like a bitter hater for absolutely no reason at this point

Yeah let's write off any criticism as hate

I think Hov cared more about the future conversation around the song than about outrapping Em. He let him pick a self produced beat. There's a reason why its otherwise forgotten when celebrating The Blueprint

White conservatives parents suck but their kids didn't since they bought his records

This thread was inspired by me btw

You bring absolutely no criticism to the table, just little nitpicks purposely ignoring the bigger picture

Can't wait to see this debate again in 3 months for the anniversary!

Empty claim. You gotta elaborate and prove this if you want me to believe you

It’s became a verb to “Renegade” someone. No one thinks this.

I don’t gotta make you believe s*** p****

Like I said empty claims

Nas created the term